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Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 06-21-2019, 07:45 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt's like when pro-abortionists whine about how a group of men (law makers) shouldn't be telling women whether they can or can't kill their unborn babies and yet are more than happy when a group of men (SCOTUS) told women whether they can or can't kill their unborn babies.
In his famous Carolene Products footnote, Justice Stone suggested that the interests to which the Court can responsibly give extraordinary constitutional protection include not only those expressed in the Constitution but also those that are unlikely to receive adequate consideration in the political process, specifically the interests of "discrete and insular minorities" unable to form effective political alliances. There can be little doubt that such considerations have influenced the direction, if only occasionally the rhetoric, of the recent Courts. My repeated efforts to convince my students that sex should be treated as a "suspect classification" have convinced me it is no easy matter to state such considerations in a "principled" way. But passing that problem, Roe is not an appropriate case for their invocation.
Compared with men, very few women sit in our legislatures, a fact I believe should bear some relevance-even without an Equal Rights Amendment-to the appropriate standard of review for legislation that favors men over women. But no fetuses sit in our legislatures. Of course they have their champions, but so have women. The two interests have clashed repeatedly in the political arena, and had continued to do so up to the date of the opinion, generating quite a wide variety of accommodations. By the Court's lights virtually all of the legislative accommodations had unduly favored fetuses; by its definition of victory, women had lost. Yet in every legislative balance one of the competing interests loses to some extent; indeed usually, as here, they both do. On some occasions the Constitution throws its weight on the side of one of them, indicating the balance must be restruck. And on others-and this is Justice Stone's suggestion-it is at least arguable that, constitutional directive or not, the Court should throw its weight on the side of a minority demanding in court more than it was able to achieve politically. But even assuming this suggestion can be given principled content, it was clearly intended and should be reserved for those interests which, as compared with the interests to which they have been subordinated, constitute minorities unusually incapable of protecting themselves. Compared with men, women may constitute such a "minority"; compared with the unborn, they do not. I'm not sure I'd know a discrete and insular minority if I saw one, but confronted with a multiple choice question requiring me to designate (a) women or (b) fetuses as one, I'd expect no credit for the former answer.
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You're an idiot. Even in the first trimester there are reasons for having an abortion which can include medical health reasons, like ectopic pregnancies. These are all counted in the stats which show that less than 10% of abortions are because of the health of the fetus or mother.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou're an idiot. Even in the first trimester there are reasons for having an abortion which can include medical health reasons, like ectopic pregnancies. These are all counted in the stats which show that less than 10% of abortions are because of the health of the fetus or mother.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOf course there can be medical reasons to abort in the first trimester, no one said otherwise. The point was that there needn't be a medical reason in the first trimester. Learn to comprehend.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostReading comprehension still a problem I see.
Let me say it slower for you...
Nobody cares whether it is "legal for any reason in the first trimester" - that has nothing to do with the reasons women have abortions.
The statistics showing why women have abortions at any time, show that they only do it for the health of the mother less than 10% of the time.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostApparently it is for you.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostOf course there can be medical reasons to abort in the first trimester, no one said otherwise. The point was that there needn't be a medical reason in the first trimester. Learn to comprehend."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by JimL View PostLearn to comprehend.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou're an idiot. Even in the first trimester there are reasons for having an abortion which can include medical health reasons, like ectopic pregnancies. These are all counted in the stats which show that less than 10% of abortions are because of the health of the fetus or mother.
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You are talking about legality, we are talking about motivation. Two different things. You are actually supporting LPOT's argument by saying that there is no regulation in the first trimester, which is why there are a lot more abortions happening on whims. The result is that less than 10% of all abortions happen because of the health of the mother.
I can't believe you and JimL are this idiotic.
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