An Experiment in Media Bias

[rogue06]

I didn't make a record of which goes with which, because I never intended to provide "the answer." I just knew which one was Fox and which CNN, because of my initial exposure. The rest I just quickly cut/paste the title and added it randomly into the list, and cut and paste the source and added it randomly into THAT list.

So to answer you, I'd have to do the google search myself. I figure folks can self-check if they are interested.

wow.

[carpedm9587]

wow.

Why is that wow?

[carpedm9587]

And that's precisely why we know it's worthless. I guarantee that you and I could apply their methodology to a dozen news articles and arrive at completely different conclusions. That's because it's entirely subjective.

"If the scale was worth something, researchers could put the rating system in the hands of any reasonable person and obtain comparable results. Systems with robust objective markers attached to each level of the scale can achieve that. Those lacking such markers will not."

https://www.politifactbias.com/2017/...check.html?m=1

And yet two separate sites with two separate and published methodologies arrive at reasonably consistent results, and those results generally align with my pre-check assessment. They also generally align with a vast number of more ad hoc "political skew" assessments from individual and groups across the Internet. For me, that is adequate information for using them as a general measurement of bias. You appear to looking for the usual "absolute" standard of consistency, yet the very basis is about something that is subjective, highly variable, and modifies over time as new writers and new management pass through.

Sorry, MM. I don't look for perfection in the tools I use. I look for "the best I can get." So far I have found both Allsides and MediabiasFactCheck fairly reliable. I can understand why you would reject them, however. They don't paint the sites you generally use as reliable or balanced - so you cannot accept their findings without having to look at your own reading habits and sources.

[rogue06]

Why is that wow?

You set up the question but didn't even trouble yourself with knowing what the answer is then tell others who "play along" that they have to look everything up because you can't bother.

I'll definitely be sure to keep this in mind the next time you ask something.

[Starlight]

Funny that they put the Drudge Report on the far right

The media study I linked Carpe to recently talked about the drudge report. They found when they analyzed hyperlink networks that it was a crucial site in the extreme-right echo-chamber. And further analysis revealed that insane ideas on the right were coming from Drudge and then being percolated through the rest of the extreme-right's media environment.

Some more general comments on Drudge from a Guardian article:



P.S. I just tried visiting Drudge myself... is it supposed to look like website from the 1980s? Is that really what the right-wing crazies wade through to get their news? It's no wonder none of them are sane.

[Starlight]

Soooo, how close or far off was I?

You got 6/8 according to my googling now, some good wild guessing on your part. I got 4/8... amusingly I got Fox and NYT's headlines mixed up.

[rogue06]

You got 6/8 according to my googling now, some good wild guessing on your part. I got 4/8... amusingly I got Fox and NYT's headlines mixed up.

Thanks. Better than I expected. I figured I had about half.

[Cow Poke]

You set up the question but didn't even trouble yourself with knowing what the answer is then tell others who "play along" that they have to look everything up because you can't bother.

I'll definitely be sure to keep this in mind the next time you ask something.

I had a suspicion, so I didn't play.

I neither watched the video nor paid attention to the headlines.

[mossrose]

I have to admit that I eschew the most vitriolic voices from the right (Hannity, Coulter, Beck, Limbaugh, Ingraham, etc.), and I frankly don't know any such voices from the left, but I would eschew those as well.

Joy Behar.

Whoopi Goldberg.

Alex Baldwin.

Jim Carrey.

Jimmy Fallon.

Meryl Streep.

Olivia Wilde.

LeBron James.

Kathy Griffon.

Rosie O'Donnell.

New York Times economics columnist Paul Krugman.

Jim Acosta.

Don Lemon.

How many more do you want?

[carpedm9587]

You set up the question but didn't even trouble yourself with knowing what the answer is then tell others who "play along" that they have to look everything up because you can't bother.

I'll definitely be sure to keep this in mind the next time you ask something.

As I said, Roque. I had no intention of posting the answer - so I didn't bother to make note. If I decide to later, I'll look it up. Meanwhile, if you're that interested, look it up. If not...

You certainly take offense at odd things. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were a snowflake.

[carpedm9587]

You got 6/8 according to my googling now, some good wild guessing on your part. I got 4/8... amusingly I got Fox and NYT's headlines mixed up.

Yeah - I did note the Fox mixup (because I knew Fox and CNN headlines from my original reading of the headlines). I didn't realize you had swapped them for the NYT, however.

And thanks for helping out Rogue. Maybe he can relax now.

[carpedm9587]

Joy Behar.

Whoopi Goldberg.

Alex Baldwin.

Jim Carrey.

Jimmy Fallon.

Meryl Streep.

Olivia Wilde.

LeBron James.

Kathy Griffon.

Rosie O'Donnell.

New York Times economics columnist Paul Krugman.

Jim Acosta.

Don Lemon.

How many more do you want?

Umm... do ANY of those have the regular platforms and audience of the voices on the right? I think Whoopi is on "The View." Jim Acosta is a White House correspondent. Alex Baldwin does occasional shticks on SNL. I guess Jimmy Fallon has a late night show, so his monologue counts? If you're going to add comedians to the list, your list needs to include almost every late night comic, especially Colbert and Oliver. Trump is an endless source of comic material for them.

I actually don't follow any of the folks on your list either. I've come to find the SNL skits somewhat tired. I can't stand to listen to Trump, so I don't follow any of the press conferences (not they happen that much anymore). About the only two that I "follow" in any form are John Oliver (I love his show) and Colbert's Monologue. I basically listen to each of them on the following day on Amazon Prime as part of my "go to bed" routine. I just find the humor cathartic.

But I think your list is a bit of apples and oranges. The list I provided are people with a regular platform and a strong, often venomous, right-wing stance. If I were to list every person on the right that has ever said something anti-left, the list would be gynormoous. Your list included a couple people who are at least part of a group on a platform, comedians, and then a bunch of people who just expressed something anti-Trump or anti-right at some point. You should have included De Niro, Cher, Clooney, Lady Gaga, Kimmel, Meyers, Madonna, Kardashian, Rhimes, King, James, Stiller, and the list goes on and on.

[mossrose]

Umm... do ANY of those have the regular platforms and audience of the voices on the right? I think Whoopi is on "The View." Jim Acosta is a White House correspondent. Alex Baldwin does occasional shticks on SNL. I guess Jimmy Fallon has a late night show, so his monologue counts? If you're going to add comedians to the list, your list needs to include almost every late night comic, especially Colbert and Oliver. Trump is an endless source of comic material for them.

I actually don't follow any of these folks either. I've come to find the SNL skits somewhat tired. I can't stand to listen to Trump, so I don't follow any of the press conferences (not they happen that much anymore). About the only two that I "follow" in any form are John Oliver (I love his show) and Colbert's Monologue. I basically listen to each of them on the following day on Amazon Prime as part of my "go to bed" routine. I just find the humor cathartic.

Other than that, I don't follow any of these either.

They are vitriolic left voices. That's what you said, that you didn't know of any vitriolic voices on the left.

There you have just a few.

[carpedm9587]

They are vitriolic left voices. That's what you said, that you didn't know of any vitriolic voices on the left.

There you have just a few.

See my amended post. I think you're comparing apples to oranges - for the most part. I don't think the left is without its vitriolic voices, by any means. But I don't think the left has very many of those voices with the kinds of platforms those on the right have. And the ones that do tend to be comedians. It has always amazed me that the right just doesn't seem to have very many comedians.

Bottom line, with the exception of watching Oliver once a week and listening to Colbert's nightly monologue, because I simply find them humorous, I don't follow any of the "far left" either.

[mossrose]

See my amended post. I think you're comparing apples to oranges - for the most part. I don't think the left is without its vitriolic voices, by any means. But I don't think the left has very many of those voices with the kinds of platforms those on the right have. And the ones that do tend to be comedians. It has always amazed me that the right just doesn't seem to have very many comedians.

Bottom line, with the exception of watching Oliver once a week and listening to Colbert's nightly monologue, because I simply find them humorous, I don't follow any of the "far left" either.

I didn't have room to include all the other people you mentioned. You just said

I frankly don't know any such voices from the left,

so I thought I would educate you.