Mueller Report Next Week?

[Starlight]

Because a communist country would never be ruled by wealthy oligarchs, am I right?

If you look at history, nearly every country nearly all the time has been run by wealthy oligarchs. The liberal/left concept of "democracy" in which the rule is NOT that of wealthy oligarchs is revolutionary against the backdrop of history.

[Tassman]

Tass where are you getting your information on Russia?

Where is the information that the Russian oligarchs are helping wealthy US capitalists?

still meddling according to Intel.

The oligarchs are party leaders for the communist party in Russia. They have privileges that regular citizens in Russia don't have because of their rank.
Also Putin is the head of the Russian government and his word is what is important in governing Russia. Putin is not really elected unless you count the "Yes - No" vote that passes for an election. with only Yes vote counted.

Yes Tass, there is a communist government in Russia.

You are incorrect. Russia can no longer be seen as a communist country. The communist Soviet Union ended on December 26, 1991. Although you are correct to the extent that communist ideologies have not totally come to an end in the new, capitalist Russia. President Boris Yeltsin banned the Communist Party of the Soviet Union in 1991 and the communist CPRF took its place. But this is not the majority party in Russia. The capitalist United Russia Party has a majority of around 70%, with the communist CPRF as the second largest political party in Russia. So again, Russia in no way can be seen as a communist country.

[tabibito]

If you look at history, nearly every country nearly all the time has been run by wealthy oligarchs. The liberal/left concept of "democracy" in which the rule is NOT that of wealthy oligarchs is revolutionary against the backdrop of history.

And in fact, democracy, beyond the trappings thereof, does not hold sway in America (I dare say probably also in Australia - but I haven't seen any definitive studies on that). Decisions (almost) invariably conform with the wishes of the majority of the richest 10% of the population (or corporations).

[Mountain Man]

If you look at history, nearly every country nearly all the time has been run by wealthy oligarchs. The liberal/left concept of "democracy" in which the rule is NOT that of wealthy oligarchs is revolutionary against the backdrop of history.

That explains why liberal politicians are among the wealthiest people in the world.

[rogue06]

That explains why liberal politicians are among the wealthiest people in the world.

Vladimir Putin's net worth remains a mystery but there is good reason to suspect that he's the richest man in the world owning a fleet of yachts (with one worth around $500 million), and at least 20 different villas and palaces, including a $1 billion palace. The low side puts him at $74 billion but it is likely closer to $200 billion.

China's Xi Jinping's personal wealth is estimated to be at a "paltry" $1.5 billion in spite of laws forbidding Chinese officials from accumulating significant wealth. And his family has holdings that are least equal to that.

The late Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez's daughter is believed to be that country's richest person after he destroyed the economy of a very rich nation. Nobody knows exactly how much she inherited or was given but it is more than telecommunications magnate Gustavo Cisneros has made (worth $3.6 billion, according to Forbes).

His successor, Nicolas Maduro, is thought to be only worth a couple million (can't steal much from an already robbed bank) but has day (roughly $2.04 million). Not bad on a salary of $48,000/year.

A decade before he died Fidel Castro Forbes magazine

[Mountain Man]

https://www.breitbart.com/clips/2019...sia-collusion/

[Starlight]

That explains why liberal politicians are among the wealthiest people in the world.

People in power have always been among the wealthiest people.

Democracy is the only system that threatens to upset that apple cart, and as tabibito has rightly noted, the fundamentals of democracy and its ability to do this have been greatly undermined in many countries by the rich who have done their best to reassert their control/power.

[Starlight]

Vladimir Putin's net worth remains a mystery but there is good reason to suspect that he's the richest man in the world owning a fleet of yachts (with one worth around $500 million), and at least 20 different villas and palaces, including a $1 billion palace. The low side puts him at $74 billion but it is likely closer to $200 billion.

China's Xi Jinping's personal wealth is estimated to be at a "paltry" $1.5 billion in spite of laws forbidding Chinese officials from accumulating significant wealth. And his family has holdings that are least equal to that.

The late Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez's daughter is believed to be that country's richest person after he destroyed the economy of a very rich nation. Nobody knows exactly how much she inherited or was given but it is more than telecommunications magnate Gustavo Cisneros has made (worth $3.6 billion, according to Forbes).

His successor, Nicolas Maduro, is thought to be only worth a couple million (can't steal much from an already robbed bank) but has day (roughly $2.04 million). Not bad on a salary of $48,000/year.

A decade before he died Fidel Castro Forbes magazine

He said "liberal" politicians (in the context of democracies) dumb-dumb. He didn't say dictators.

As I said earlier, for most of history most nations have been ruled by rich people in an authoritarian way, that is the rule not the exception.

[rogue06]

He said "liberal" politicians (in the context of democracies) dumb-dumb. He didn't say dictators.

Many dictators start out as politicians. In the case of Putin, Chavez and Marudo, they were all elected into power (although these elections were shady). Castro also had popular support when he swept into power. One would think that someone who tries so hard to get everyone to think he's the smartest person in every room he enters would have known that. But then again, what can I expect from someone who keeps insisting that Stalin was a right winger

[rogue06]

People in power have always been among the wealthiest people.

[*cough*] Jose Mujica [*cough*]


And there was Sushil Koirala, who's only assets were 3 mobile phones -- 1 of which was broken.


And several U.S. presidents could hardly have been considered wealthy, most notably Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant (the latter while in very poor health had to write his autobiography to keep his soon to be widow out of the poor house). More recently Harry S. Truman spent much of his life deep in debt and on the verge of bankruptcy (after his presidency, Truman and his wife Bess moved into his mother-in-law's home).


Now you can commence with throwing one of your sputtering temper tantrums that you typically engage in after being shown that you're wrong.

[Starlight]

Were you not able to read as far as the rest of the post, where I explained that democracy is sometimes able to put a limit on that earlier 'always'?

Even Trump can read 2 sentences.

[Terraceth]

Vladimir Putin's net worth remains a mystery but there is good reason to suspect that he's the richest man in the world owning a fleet of yachts (with one worth around $500 million), and at least 20 different villas and palaces, including a $1 billion palace. The low side puts him at $74 billion but it is likely closer to $200 billion.

China's Xi Jinping's personal wealth is estimated to be at a "paltry" $1.5 billion in spite of laws forbidding Chinese officials from accumulating significant wealth. And his family has holdings that are least equal to that.

The late Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez's daughter is believed to be that country's richest person after he destroyed the economy of a very rich nation. Nobody knows exactly how much she inherited or was given but it is more than telecommunications magnate Gustavo Cisneros has made (worth $3.6 billion, according to Forbes).

His successor, Nicolas Maduro, is thought to be only worth a couple million (can't steal much from an already robbed bank) but has day (roughly $2.04 million). Not bad on a salary of $48,000/year.

A decade before he died Fidel Castro Forbes magazine

The others can be classified as liberals, but isn't Putin a conservative?

[Tassman]

Many dictators start out as politicians. In the case of Putin, Chavez and Marudo, they were all elected into power (although these elections were shady).

Yes, the same applies to Mussolini and Hitler as well. And Trump can be added to your list of shadily elected wannabe dictators.

[One Bad Pig]

[*cough*] Jose Mujica [*cough*]


And there was Sushil Koirala, who's only assets were 3 mobile phones -- 1 of which was broken.


And several U.S. presidents could hardly have been considered wealthy, most notably Abraham Lincoln and Ulysses S. Grant (the latter while in very poor health had to write his autobiography to keep his soon to be widow out of the poor house). More recently Harry S. Truman spent much of his life deep in debt and on the verge of bankruptcy (after his presidency, Truman and his wife Bess moved into his mother-in-law's home).


Now you can commence with throwing one of your sputtering temper tantrums that you typically engage in after being shown that you're wrong.

Lincoln grew up dirt poor, but by the time he was elected President he was a prosperous lawyer (who dressed shabbily for effect). He wasn't filthy rich, but he wasn't exactly living hand to mouth.

[Sparko]

Sigh!

Russia is no longer a communist country. But even if it was, the wealthy oligarchs that control it would be helping wealthy US capitalists such as Trump , not the socialists .

You mean the wealthy socialists like Bernie Sanders?