Trump Tax derail - Abortion

[oxmixmudd]

That, to their minds, is "debating".

That does appear in this case to be not far from the truth.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Because I am not advocating for anyone's right to kill the zygote. I am against that. I am against all forms of abortion, but especially the late term abortion that literally burns or hacks to pieces a baby nearly indistinguishable from the one down the hall in the nursery or in the preemie ward.

I am not 'pro-choice'. Once that life has begun, only God has the right to stop that process unless the mother is in mortal danger due to the pregnancy. That is where I stand on it morally. Your between the line accusations I am otherwise are simply wrong. Your implication is that I'm lying when I say I'm not pro-choice (when I say I am against abortion). And you are wrong. And if you have a conscience, you will apologize.

Jim

[Mountain Man]

I have never argued that the difference is morally significant, or that the difference justified abortion. Those are conclusions you have drawn all on your own. It's just like when I say I think we evolved and Jorge thinks that means I'm an atheist. You've somehow connected saying the zygote is not a human being (yet) with 'abortion is ok'. I'm not doing that. And Augustine didn't do that. And he admitted he didn't know if the fetus was a human being. Does that make him an abortionist? You think like a child MM.



"At the moment of conception, the resulting organism is human life" is a factual statement. It has not yet become a human baby. It doesn't take long for it to reach stages that are far more debatable as a human being. When it has a heart and arms and legs, for sure when it has a brain and can feel. Those things don't take all that long to become a reality. But when it is one cell ready to go if it can get attached to the womb, no not yet.

But does that justify killing it? NO! To stop that developing human life is a sin in almost all cases, and I'll fight and argue for it to have life and become that baby it has the potential to become in all cases except where the life of the mother is threatened. ALL cases. And especially when it is a convenience issue.

So I have no clue why you can't think MM, why you can't comprehend that being against abortion does NOT hinge on defining the zygote as a human being. That is just as idiotic as saying the Bible is only the inspired word of God if the earth is less than 10,000 years old.


Jim

Then why do you try so hard to convince us and yourself that the Bible places less value on a developing fetus? You almost seem to be arguing out of both sides of your mouth.

Like I said, the moment you accept the language and reasoning of the pro-abortion crowd and try to discuss it on their terms then you've lost the debate with them before it even begins. Case in point, abortion and infanticide proponent Dimbulb applauds your arguments, and it's not because you've presented a good case against abortion.

[lilpixieofterror]

Because I am not advocating for anyone's right to kill the zygote. I am against that. I am against all forms of abortion, but especially the late term abortion that literally burns or hacks to pieces a baby nearly indistinguishable from the one down the hall in the nursery or in the preemie ward.

I am not 'pro-choice'. Once that life has begun, only God has the right to stop that process unless the mother is in mortal danger due to the pregnancy. That is where I stand on it morally. Your between the line accusations I am otherwise are simply wrong. Your implication is that I'm lying when I say I'm not pro-choice (when I say I am against abortion). And you are wrong. And if you have a conscience, you will apologize.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Pix, there is a huge difference between accusing someone of supporting that which they dont support and saying that which they clearly admit to supporting is evil.

But unfortunately it is unlikely you are willing to admit that.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Then why do you try so hard to convince us and yourself that the Bible places less value on a developing fetus? You almost seem to be arguing out of both sides of your mouth.

Like I said, the moment you accept the language and reasoning of the pro-abortion crowd and try to discuss it on their terms then you've lost the debate with them before it even begins. Case in point, abortion and infanticide proponent Dimbulb applauds your arguments, and it's not because you've presented a good case against abortion.

The bible text is to be respected. It is incorrect to read into it what isnt there. My focus on that text is based on my commitment to respect for the word of God and the desire to combat ignorant approaches to its interpretation. I brought it up because people are claiming the bible teaches from conception killing the fetus is murder. This verse is contrary to that assertion.

Mm, what you will likely never grasp about me is that for me what is true is more important than what is common dogma.

Jim

[Mountain Man]

This verse is contrary to that assertion.

Your INTERPRETATION of the verse is contrary to the assertion, and contrary to a plain reading of the text.

[lilpixieofterror]

Pix, there is a huge difference between accusing someone of supporting that which they dont support and saying that which they clearly admit to supporting is evil.

But unfortunately it is unlikely you are willing to admit that.

[oxmixmudd]

Your INTERPRETATION of the verse is contrary to the assertion, and contrary to a plain reading of the text.

We've already been around that pole of how to interpret that verse and I've nothing new to add to that discussion. However, my reason for caring about that verse is not part of some secret plan to support abortion, but rather my belief that this modern rendering is incorrect and based on ignorance of the history of the text and its implications. I am not saying I'm necessarily right in that, I'm saying my motivation for caring about that verse and how it is translated is rooted in respect for the Biblical text, not some hidden pretext surrounding the abortion debate.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

your incapacity to make logical connections between facts is noted. Your incapacity to read and understand what I write is also noted. And your incapacity to read and understand attempts to clarify based on your previous incapacity to understand what I wrote it noted.


Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

your incapacity to make logical connections between facts is noted. Your incapacity to read and understand what I write is also noted.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

And THAT would be a textbook example of projection.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

And THAT would be a textbook example of projection.

Jim

Yep, you sure are a textbook example of projection and rank hypocrisy. Where is your apology for your attacks towards anyone not freaking out about Trump all the time?

[oxmixmudd]

Yep, you sure are a textbook example of projection and rank hypocrisy. Where is your apology for your attacks towards anyone not freaking out about Trump all the time?

God bless you pix.

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

God bless you pix.

Jim

Yep, a passive aggressive slap and no apology forthcoming for your treatment of anyone that disagrees with you about Trump.