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Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View PostAnders Brievik, Advent Lateka, Scott Roeder, Eric Rudolph, the Williams brothers and other examples show that Christians do attack people in the name of Jesus.
Muslims who murder infidels, on the other hand, are following both their scripture and the example set by Mohammad.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostJust here to counter a claim by you. Still too busy with my new job to post regularly on tweb.
Breivik isn't a Christian, he doesn't believe in God. He's stated so quite clearly multiple times, including in his manifesto.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostI don't want to download his full manifesto, since I'm at work, but various news sites
His religious faith is Odinism, but Breivik and others have previously linked his religious beliefs to Christianity.
The manifesto states its author is "100 percent Christian", but he is not "excessively religious"; "I'm not going to pretend I'm a very religious person, as that would be a lie"; and considers himself a "cultural Christian" and a "modern-day crusader". He calls religion a crutch and a source for drawing mental strength, and says "I've always been very pragmatic and influenced by my secular surroundings and environment". Regarding the term cultural Christian, which he says means preserving European culture, he notes, "It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy...)". Furthermore, Breivik said "myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God." Nevertheless, he said he planned to pray to God for help during his attacks. Before the attacks, he stated an intention to attend Frogner Church in a final "Martyr's mass".
Yeah, from that description, he could be a POPE!
odin.jpgThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow. Roy, you need to do a little more homework before posting stuff like this.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt is not terribly unusual for such people to be all over the map with their statements of belief, especially in a manifesto.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostOh, I agree. But to claim "Breivik isn't a Christian, he doesn't believe in God. He's stated so quite clearly multiple times, including in his manifesto" when Breivik's manifesto clearly states that he is a Christian and does believe in God is exactly the form of denial I meant.
I'm really not sure what you're doing here - are you attempting to back away from your previous statement, or maybe you're attempting to double down.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm really not sure what you're doing here - are you attempting to back away from your previous statement, or maybe you're attempting to double down.
- "That act is not appropriate for a Christian"
but
- "That act wasn't committed by a Christian"
or
- "That act isn't as bad as those committed by Muslims"Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostJust pointing out that the usual response to violence being committed by Christians is not
- "That act is not appropriate for a Christian"
but
- "That act wasn't committed by a Christian"
or
- "That act isn't as bad as those committed by Muslims"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostI don't want to download his full manifesto, since I'm at work, but various news sites
One other element. Christian teaching is that all men are sinful, and the sin becomes utterly sinful when it takes that which is good and uses it for evil. When you see people taking the name of Christ within whose teachings is not one element that can be used to justify evil actions, who taught we should love all people as we love ourselves, that we should love our enemies and pray for them, that we should NEVER return evil for evil, tun the other cheek, walk the extra mile, give our shirt as well when our coat is demanded, and then using His name and His teachings as justification for evil actions, you are seeing direct proof of the nature in mankind that needs saving.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 02-01-2019, 07:48 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Roy View PostJust pointing out that the usual response to violence being committed by Christians is not
- "That act is not appropriate for a Christian"
but
- "That act wasn't committed by a Christian"
or
- "That act isn't as bad as those committed by Muslims"
In fact, I'll go on record ---- "assuming this guy WAS a Christian - what he did was HORRENDOUS, and a black eye to Christianity in general, and Jesus in particular".
(Actually, I denounce his violent acts regardless of who or what he claims to be)
Better?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Ignorant Roy View PostOh, I agree. But to claim "Breivik isn't a Christian, he doesn't believe in God. He's stated so quite clearly multiple times, including in his manifesto" when Breivik's manifesto clearly states that he is a Christian and does believe in God is exactly the form of denial I meant.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhether or not he's a Christian is beside the point, because anybody who commits violence in the name of Jesus is clearly acting contrary to the life and teachings of the man who's name they invoke.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Roy View PostI don't want to download his full manifesto, since I'm at work, but various news sites
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