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So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYour idea of "best interests of society" is what is your objective standard, JimL. the concept of "best" implies a standard to be strived for. You keep making that same mistake in all of your arguments about morality and it keeps being pointed out to you.Last edited by JimL; 07-03-2019, 10:02 AM.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYeah, that's what I said, i.e. that morals are objective in the sense that they are in the best interests of human being living together in community. That doesn't mean that morals exist as actual laws. You keep making that same mistake even though I keep pointing it out to you.
You have no idea what you just admitted.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
You have no idea what you just admitted.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThis is painful to watch. He actually thinks he has you on the ropes.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postbecause there is an objective morality and we generally follow it.But your objections hold no more weight than complaining that someone likes to wear shorts and you don't think shorts are dignified. It's just your opinion.You don't seem to understand what objective morality even means. There is only one. Not "my objective morality" and "their objective morality" - there is just one. And I might not get it right all the time, and you might not get it right all the time, but it's there none the less.So do you think it was actually moral to burn witches back then? It must have been if morals are relative. So since they were acting morally according to their standards, you have no leg to stand on to claim they were wrong for burning witches.Last edited by Tassman; 07-04-2019, 12:22 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Post
You have no idea what you just admitted.
It is you and your bovine friend who choose to misunderstand. Morals are a product of the evolution of necessary social behavior to survive as a cooperative species. They are enforced as fixed rules by a given society but are not absolute objective moral laws as such and can (and do) change over time.
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post
It is you and your bovine friend who choose to misunderstand.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostThe reverse is true. It is youSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou obviously have no idea what that verse is talking about. It's not referring to kid who talks back to his parents but who's actions pose a danger to the community.The modern equivalent would be a gangbanger who rob and murder and are generally given the harshest punishments.
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You don't even know what it means to rationalize. I'm giving you context, not attempting to explain it away.
Life in prison and execution is essentially the same thing. The point is that we remove people from society who cause harm, which is a biblical ethic.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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so what is wrong with all that? If there is no such thing as objective morality, then any society who did those things was just following their own subjective morality and it was good and right for them. You have nothing to complain about.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou don't even know what it means to rationalize. I'm giving you context, not attempting to explain it away.Life in prison and execution is essentially the same thing. The point is that we remove people from society who cause harm, which is a biblical ethic.
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There is no explaining away needed what so ever. As far as I know Mountain Man is not a Jew subject to Old Covenant obligations. God never demanded that gentiles follow the Law of Moses unless they specifically asked to become part of the covenant between God and the Jewish people.
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