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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostPedophilia will NEVER become socially acceptable for the same reason rape will never become socially acceptable. Because, in both instances, they are non-consensual. There are victims.
Remember, it wasn't too long ago that people were saying the same thing about homosexuality that you're saying about pedophilia, that it would never become socially acceptable for a variety of reasons that they assumed were set in stone, but look where we are today.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFor the pedophile, this is merely a legal problem and not a moral one; reduce or eliminate age of consent laws, and he's golden.
Remember, it wasn't too long ago that people were saying the same thing about homosexuality that you're saying about pedophilia, that it would never become socially acceptable for a variety of reasons that they assumed were set in stone, but look where we are today.
Originally posted by JimL View PostYou're cited quote says nothing about pre-pubescent boys, it says boys. Tell me, when you were a 15, 16 or 17 year old boy were you capable of making your own choices.Originally posted by JimL View PostHow do you define "a boy" CP? How does NAMBLA define "a boy?" Do you know?Originally posted by JimL View PostSo what, maybe IGLA at the time agreed with NAMBLA that the age of consent law was oppressive to youth, but they were never advocates of pedophilia which they made clear long before they ousted NAMBLA.Originally posted by JimL View PostYes, I know what it stands for, it's about age of consent laws CP.
Tassman was in that whole conversation, as well, so....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostNormal behavior means whatever society determines it to mean, but it determines its meaning by way of reason.Sometimes we can get it wrong, like dubbing homosexuality abnormal only to recognize after the fact that it is a perfectly normal human condition. Some people are just not amenable to reason.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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When you find yourself vigorously defending NAMBLA that should be an obvious red flag for yourself that it is time to step back, take a deep breath and rethink the position of never admitting your wrong at all costs.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostNot really. The normal function of the sex organs is for attempts at sexual reproduction.
Not really. variations from normal are by definition abnormalities. For instance, there are roughly the same percentage of people with Down's Syndrome and that have red hair. Would you call Down's Syndrome normal?
Whilst this would apply to a person with Down’s Syndrome it does not apply to those with red hair, or ‘left-handed’ or, given our current state of knowledge, homosexual...all of which are just variations of the norm.
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And adults who like to have sex with young children, and young children who like to have sex with adults is just another "variation of the norm", right?
This is the problem with arguments that defend homosexuality as "normal": they can also be used to defend pedophilia. Your choice is to either hypocritically reject the arguments, or swallow your disgust and defend pedophilia. I wonder which you'll choose?Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnd adults who like to have sex with young children, and young children who like to have sex with adults is just another "variation of the norm", right?
This is the problem with arguments that defend homosexuality as "normal": they can also be used to defend pedophilia.Your choice is to either hypocritically reject the arguments, or swallow your disgust and defend pedophilia. I wonder which you'll choose?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostJust as “normal” heterosexuality can be used to defend rape and sexual exploitation of women such as grabbing their genitals.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Like I said, your entire argument is based on the premise that children can't consent, which is a legal objection and not a moral one. What if psychologists faced with social pressure suddenly "discover" that they can consent, and the laws are changed accordingly? Well then, pedophilia would be considered "normal".
Heck, we're already part way there with organizations like the American Psychiatric Association downgrading pedophilia from a disorder to merely an "atypical sexual interest" with liberals like you and JimL applauding and depending this. Just be careful where you step, because that slope is slippery as hell.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBut WAS it actually a mental illness, Tassman? According to your definition is actually WAS one. Which means it still would be.
Maybe not in American society, but in others it was/is. Mohammad married a 14 year old girl remember? And raping used to be the standard way of taking control of captive women in many societies. In fact I think it is still legal to not only beat but rape your wife under Sharia law.
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Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View PostActually she was 9 according to the sources. They used a lunar calendar at the time, which if I'm remembering right puts her around 6 under our solar calendar.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIIRC she was 7 when they married and Muhammad was forced to wait until she was 9 to consummate the marriage due to a prolonged illness on her part.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI don't suppose you realize that this argument cuts its own throat. If society and reason can get it wrong then how do you know when it gets it right? What is your baseline?
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