Trump's Christian supporters are unchristian

[lilpixieofterror]

Still waiting for chapter and verse. "You shall not commit adultery" is in the Bible, but "You shall not vote for or in any other way support a less than morally perfect political candidate" is not.

[Mountain Man]

And Christians have been ignoring Christ's words for centuries. So what? It is still a disgrace for a non-Christian familiar with scripture to be able to observe and point out that some of the most basic teachings of scripture regarding our behavior and priorities are being ignored for personal interests. Do you remember what Paul said (paraphrase Eph 2:11-13), that if the natural branches will be cut off for their sin, how much more those that are grafted in?

When Christians defend immorality for their own personal comfort, it is a disgrace. And I'm sorry, looking at the things trump is doing and saying "but we pay less in taxes" or "look at how good the economy is doing" is nothing less than giving the rich man the preferred seat at the table and kicking the poor man out of it.

Over Jesus' entire ministry he never stopped rebuking the excess of the rich and the powerful and pointing out hypocrisy of the abuse of the poor. And he didn't mince words. The RICH man is in hell, and the abused poor man is in Abraham's bosom.

We shouldn't need non-Christians to be pointing out such obvious conflicts with what our faith teaches.

Even more so, we should NOT be trying to justify ourselves when they do.

First of all, I don't see anybody defending Trump's immorality. It's just that his personal failings have no bearing on his ability to serve as president.

Secondly, in your opinion, who could we have safely voted for that would have made us immune to your hypocritical and self-righteous condemnation? Certainly not Hillary.

[oxmixmudd]

Still waiting for chapter and verse. "You shall not commit adultery" is in the Bible, but "You shall not vote for or in any other way support a less than morally perfect political candidate" is not.

Not talking about voting. Try to keep up.

Jim

[oxmixmudd]

off into fantasy land you go. You think Trump cares about your principles


Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

off into fantasy land you go. You think Trump cares about your principles


Jim

Who is sitting on the Supreme Court right now? How many activist judges have found their way to the court room lately? I picked the one more likely to let me live my life how I choose. You apparently preferred criminal Clinton to have won. Take your heads pats from those that say:

It's only believers that are terrified of a god, lilpix. That was its creators original plan!

[oxmixmudd]

First of all, I don't see anybody defending Trump's immorality.

Over and over again you have MM.

It's just that his personal failings have no bearing on his ability to serve as president.

As Mattis and others walk out and no-one of any competence is willing to take their place ...

Secondly, in your opinion, who could we have safely voted for that would have made us immune to your hypocritical and self-righteous condemnation? Certainly not Hillary.

Not talking about voting. I'm talking about defending him and many of his immoral policies over and over again after the election. That his been corrected over and over again the last year or more. Are you incapable of comprehending the difference?


Jim

[Mountain Man]

Not talking about voting. Try to keep up.

Dodge noted.

[Mountain Man]

Over and over again you have MM.

Liar. I've never defended Trump's immorality.

[One Bad Pig]

You don't notice the irony of this ???

This is just another relativism-post along the lines of: If Charles cannot show he did this or that, we have no reason to take his statement seriously (whether it is actually right or wrong does not matter).

Make it easy for yourself, OBP, confront the actual point.

If you ever manage to accurately characterize my words, you may have a point worth addressing.

I do notice the irony of you calling me out for dodging a point while simultaneously doing the same thing yourself.

[One Bad Pig]

Liar. I've never defended Trump's immorality.

I suspect that he and you are working with rather different understandings of "immorality."

[LeaC]

I think they would argue that theywe are the ones who have got it right.

Er... is this a parody, or a genuine lack of self-awareness?

[LeaC]

Okay Look. Trump isn't exactly a Christian here. and no there wasn't a morally acceptable choice from either side. It didn't matter who you voted for you were going to have to disregard moral things in 2016. Frankly I've seen Christians do and say some very very sickening things to defend Donald Trump's actions. It's a disgrace. I'm not defending social justice warriors here by any means, But when you who claim to be a Christian pretend that touching another person is ok, or that a homeless person should simply do without because you think they aren't willing to work we have another moral problem entirely.

I read the article and I don't really disagree with the message behind it. I voted for a third party candidate in 2016 that was as close to my views as it is possible to find in politics, and still was disappointed with some of the positions the party took since the election. I don't like that the choices are to either morally compromise your vote or to have no possibility of influencing politics at all - that doesn't resemble democracy, imo.

But I also don't believe that calling people unChristian for supporting Trump will do anything to change their views, and I don't think the article writer thinks so either. It seems to me to be a piece aimed at left-leaning Christians, with the intention of furthering the left/right divide while preaching to the choir on their own moral superiority. It feels manipulative, in other words, and I hate being manipulated.

Still, I agree with you - Trump is a man of questionable morality and bad policies.

[Cow Poke]

Er... is this a parody, or a genuine lack of self-awareness?

He's so precious.

[Mountain Man]

I suspect that he and you are working with rather different understandings of "immorality."

Unless he can present scripture to backup his "Christians shouldn't support Trump in any way, shape, or form" claims then I don't give a pair of fetid dingos kidneys about his own self-serving definition of "morality".

[Mountain Man]

I don't like that the choices are to either morally compromise your vote or to have no possibility of influencing politics at all - that doesn't resemble democracy, imo.

This begs the question that Christians compromise themselves by voting for or otherwise supporting a less than morally perfect candidate.