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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIt's also interesting that the Dems offered $5.7B as a compromise. One has to wonder why Trump accepted the $1.3B number and not the $5.7B number?
It was a very odd capitulation...That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View PostMust be the 'art of the deal."That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostBecause they were not going to budge, and to hell with the government workers in the process. Trump obviously cares more for them than Pelosi.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUmmm... that doesn't explain why Trump took their $1.3B offer and never said a word about taking their $5.7B "compromise" offer.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostHe caved. No other explanation.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Well, this is interesting.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...able-6673.html
Favorability Ratings: U.S. Political Leaders
Favorable
Donald Trump
40.5
Nancy Pelosi
34.6That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostWell, this is interesting.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...able-6673.html
Favorability Ratings: U.S. Political Leaders
Favorable
Donald Trump
40.5
Nancy Pelosi
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat's actually pretty good for a member of Congress; Mitch McConnell is at 22.
It will be interesting to see what happens if there is another shutdownThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThis was what Trump was apparently a bit concerned about. The shutdown took his numbers down by about 7 percentage points (they've rebounded just a tad since). Pelosi's numbers climbed by about 10 percentage points and have been holding.
It will be interesting to see what happens if there is another shutdown
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Originally posted by jiml View Postlong live terrorist hostage taker pelosi!That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View PostAw, too bad Bill, we all know who the hostage taker was
and whose butt got kicked by Pelosi and made to release them without collecting any ransom.
Democracy will win out in the end over the tyrant.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThough I do believe that Trump would be stupid enough to shut down the government again, I doubt that even his stupid advisers would be stupid enough to allow him to do it again.
Originally posted by JimL View PostHe can try to go the "National Emergency" route, but I doubt any court is going to buy that nonsense.
Trump's other problem is the impact on the funds he would tap under this emergency declaration. Those funds are earmarked for other things and would be diverted. Depending on which funds he diverts, he runs the risk of alienating those who will be deprived of those funds. One major source is the U.S. Military.
Originally posted by JimL View PostSo, the "art of the deal" genius already blew it, Pelosi kicked his butt, and whatever the compromise bill ends up being, he'll be on the losing end of it as far as his nutty base is concerned. Long live speaker Pelosi!
As for "nutty base," again, I do not see any purpose to labeling his entire base "nutty." While I think they are very narrowly focused and they are compromising many things to continue to support a man like Trump, I have no reason to think they are "nutty." Their objectives are not mine. Their degree of devotion is not mine. The anger that led to that support, however, is something I understand. The Dems dropped the ball badly - and Trump picked it up and ran it in for a win. I find it sad and disappointing that so much of our country "approves" of this vile man, and will not call him to account for his behavior and words. But I don''t think they are "nutty."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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