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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI distinguish between Trump's errors, his hyperbole, and his blatant lies.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhen someone decides in advance that anything Trump says will be a lie or misleading statement then of course they'll call it a lie or misleading statement. This leads to hilarious instances like the Washington Post admitting that something he said in his recent address was true but unable to help themselves they still called it false
TDS extremus.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSuch broad sweeping statements are almost always inaccurate - and these are no exception. I won't speak for the MSM. I will speak for myself - I distinguish between Trump's errors, his hyperbole, and his blatant lies. If you think otherwise, then I invite you to show me a post where I have done otherwise.
You mean a broad sweeping statement like this?
Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostHe makes no effort to distinguish "mistakes" from "intentional and repeated misinformation." Indeed, he doesn't even make an attempt to distinguish between "truth" and "falsehood." He simply labels anything he doesn't want to hear, "fake news." I don't put a lot of stock in what Trump says, at this point. The man is a chronic liar and in no position to asset the truth or falseness of any proposition.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou mean a broad sweeping statement like this?
So - apples and oranges.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThat statement is specific to Trump - and reflective of the behavior I see - which aligns with his own statements about his own philosophy. He has publicly acknowledged that he has lied and made things up and is proud of it (Trudeau, the "Art of the Deal"). I'm not reading his mind - I'm reflecting his stated position as affirmed by his public behavior.
So - apples and oranges.
OK I am done here. I didn't mean to pull a Chuck on you. I just wanted to get you to see that you do the very things you accuse others of. If you don't believe me, that is your decision, but maybe you will be a bit more self-aware in the future. Or not.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostRight, you never make sweeping broadbrush comments like everything Trump says is a lie and he doesn't even bother to distinguish truth from lie.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostOK I am done here. I didn't mean to pull a Chuck on you. I just wanted to get you to see that you do the very things you accuse others of. If you don't believe me, that is your decision, but maybe you will be a bit more self-aware in the future. Or not.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"True but misleading" is another favorite spin.Last edited by rogue06; 01-10-2019, 04:12 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOK - I don't know Ukrinform and can find nothing to affirm their historical accuracy, but they appear to be echoing a CNN report, and I found that report here. There is more information about the situation here, including an examination of the two recipients. Note that TPM is considered a left-leaning source, so beware the left-leaning spin/language.
It does appear that the information WAS given to a Russioan oligarch, with the intention of it being passed on to the two Ukranian oligarchs. There is still the open question of why ANY of this pre-election polling data was being given to these individuals by the Trump campaign.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostWell yes, you would have to get an admittance from the parties involved concerning the purpose of their wanting this polling data, but common sense will do. What other reason would oligarchs tied to the Kremlin, which was itself involved with interfering in the U.S. Presidential election, want U.S. Presidential election polling data. I think we can make a pretty safe assumption as to why they wanted it.
I'd be curious to know if anyone can offer anther possibility...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostWe can speculate - and it seems fairly likely - but we really don't know (based on what has been published so far) what was going on. I have to admit, I cannot conceive of any other explanation other than they wanted Ukrainian/Russian support (of some sort) for Trump's campaign/election.
I'd be curious to know if anyone can offer anther possibility...Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post"Look, here's evidence we're gonna win. Let's talk about what we can accomplish together post-election."
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...ackfire-233446Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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