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Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe idea that suicide rate skyrockets after sex change ops is a meme that comes from a misunderstanding of this study, often called "the Swedish study", that compared a post-op transgender group with the general population (not with pre-op transgender people).Curiosity never hurt anyone. It was stupidity that killed the cat.
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View PostThe suicide rate among all LGBTetc is much higher than the general population. That doesn't tell you something is wrong?
The second is that unusual mental conditions commonly co-occur. e.g. if something unusual happens during brain development of the fetus in the womb, the result might be that when it develops it might have a number of less-common mental features simultaneously - e.g. it might be left-handed, be gay, be unusually good at sports, and have a disposition toward schizophrenia. And those multiple conditions might thus be all a product of something going a bit unusual during development. As a result, scientifically, we can observe that left-handedness correlates with occurrences of homosexuality, as do pretty much all other unusual mental conditions, including mental disorders. So it is more common for left-handed people to have mental disorders than it is for right-handed people to have them, and likewise it is more common for homosexual people to have mental disorders than it is for a heterosexual people to have them, because unusual brain development can produce multiple effects. A consequence of having such mental disorders, tends to be a higher suicide rate.
These stats are even from cities which are lauded as havens of acceptance.
That can't be explained by saying "they don't feel accepted by society". Other groups that haven't been accepted by the general public haven't attempted suicide at the same rates.
It doesn't explain the high suicide rates in areas that are extremely accepting of the lifestyle.
Drop in teenage suicide attempts linked to legalisation of same-sex marriage:
Researchers say suicide attempts among high school students fell by an average of 7% following the implementation of the legislation. The impact was especially significant among gay, lesbian and bisexual teenagers, for whom the passing of same-sex marriage laws was linked to a 14% drop in suicide attempts.
It is a mental illness
and unless it is treated as such, these people will go on trying to kill themselves
So you are claiming some sort of ability to "treat" homosexuality in such a way it prevents people killing themselves?! Please share this stunning breakthrough with us! Hundreds of thousands of psychologists around the world have been treating these people for decades and failed to discover your amazing solution! Do tell!
These people need help and they need it now. Patting them on the back and saying "good for you" isn't doing anything but making the problem worse.
And then, here's you, who in arrogance and ignorance come along and basically say "well if you just treated it as a 'disorder' that would totally fix it"?!? Are you nuts? How would it fix anything whatsoever? Step 1, label it a 'disorder', step 2... ??????
Or are you proposing that if only we were all jerks towards gay people, that would totally make their lives better? You think then they'd commit suicide at lower rates, because we were nastier to them?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by QuantaFille View PostIt is a mental illness, and unless it is treated as such, these people will go on trying to kill themselves, and sometimes succeeding, and that's absolutely tragic. To pretend otherwise as you're doing is heartless and cruel. These people need help and they need it now. Patting them on the back and saying "good for you" isn't doing anything but making the problem worse.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYup, your experience agrees with my point.
Sexual attraction doesn't tend to manifest until ~11 years of age.
However, what gender a person thinks of themselves as, tends to manifest a lot younger (~4), and is a completely different thing. How a person views themselves (e.g. "a boy") is totally different from who they are or aren't sexually attracted to (e.g. "girls"). I'm not sure why you keep trying to link the two.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe second is that unusual mental conditions commonly co-occur. e.g. if something unusual happens during brain development of the fetus in the womb, the result might be that when it develops it might have a number of less-common mental features simultaneously - e.g. it might be left-handed, be gay, be unusually good at sports, and have a disposition toward schizophrenia. And those multiple conditions might thus be all a product of something going a bit unusual during development. As a result, scientifically, we can observe that left-handedness correlates with occurrences of homosexuality, as do pretty much all other unusual mental conditions, including mental disorders. So it is more common for left-handed people to have mental disorders than it is for right-handed people to have them, and likewise it is more common for homosexual people to have mental disorders than it is for a heterosexual people to have them, because unusual brain development can produce multiple effects. A consequence of having such mental disorders, tends to be a higher suicide rate.
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I do find it amusing how mostly childless liberals, that have never raised children, are trying to tell those that almost all have raised or are currently raising children how to raise children. Do continue."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't have any kids.
Do you?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI consider myself an expert on kids. I used to be one.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWell I have been accused of never growing up. Just because I like pirates and bacon. Is that fair?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYes, there are two effects. The first is social stress/acceptance. A large number of LGBT people report very high levels of chronic stress caused by anxiety about social acceptance. Those who have attempted or contemplated suicide tend to report that this (lack of) social acceptance is the primary factor.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFor the past several years society at large has literally been celebrating their lifestyle so social acceptance has hardly been a problem yet AFAICT the rates have not declined. In fact in the current environment being a conservative Christian is far more likely to make you an outcast and result in your getting ostracized than being LGBTQQIP2SAA will.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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