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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThe only "evidence" was a complaint from one person! She was a family member, but other family members said he wasn't a threat at all. He did have a drinking problem, so why not try rehab first instead of taking the guns away from a guy who is half drunk?
We always say the police should have taken away the gun from some of these crazy mass shooters before they shot someone. What if this was such a case? If they had probable cause to think he could harm himself or others, the judge can take away his guns until he goes to court to show he is not a danger. I don't have a problem with that as long as it is not abused. Otherwise, if you tell someone "we are taking you to court to take your guns" he would just hide his guns, or worse, go on a rampage before they could take them.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postjust remember, all you have to go on is this story which doesn't give a lot of detail. A protective order has to be approved by a Judge so he did get due process. Or actually was in the middle of it. We don't know what caused this. He could have made a threat against the person who asked for the protection order as far as you know.
We always say the police should have taken away the gun from some of these crazy mass shooters before they shot someone. What if this was such a case? If they had probable cause to think he could harm himself or others, the judge can take away his guns until he goes to court to show he is not a danger. I don't have a problem with that as long as it is not abused. Otherwise, if you tell someone "we are taking you to court to take your guns" he would just hide his guns, or worse, go on a rampage before they could take them.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn other words, your source is internally consistent. Of course it's Wikipedia, so that's par for the course.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostIf he really was a danger to himself and others he could have been, and should have been, arrested or involuntarily institutionalized. I mean he could have simply jumped in his car after he lost his guns and ran over a bunch of people or used a knife. It was never about that Sparko, you should know better...
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf he had made a threat against someone it would be. That is what a protective order is.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNot sure. A man who is mentally unstable and with a gun is a ticking time bomb. If he's mentally sound, he should get the gun back. If not and he can guess who reported him, that person can end up dead. I'd say there need to be safeguards against abuse, but that the safety of the general population takes precident if there is reason to believe an individual is an imminent threat.
JimMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostNot acting on warnings of instability has been a key component of several of the mass shootings the last few years. I can't imagine why anyone would be against trying to do something to change that fact.
But here we are.
JimMicah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAction does not have to start with jumping into the deep end. The failure to act you refer to is mostly just ignoring the expressed concern. Again you do not have to jump immediately into the deep end.
But I wonder if you really believe he would have gone any quieter to a forced Psych eval?
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 11-12-2018, 04:23 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI would say the fact the fellow was volatile enough to go for his gun and get himself killed is evidence this man needed to have his gun taken away.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostBut That old not be known until after you already screwed up. So not a valid defense.
A police officer comes to my door and says there had been a report I'm mentally unstable and they need any guns I own. I say - are you serious? Now assuming they've identified themselves I'm not going to fight them. I'll tell them where the guns are and they can get them themselves (this is to protect myself). And my cell is running real time uploading to the cloud. But I let them take them, and then I call my lawyer, and then I call the local news and givery them the video, and then I call the national news and give them the video, and then I start uploading it to various social media platforms.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostLess, comparable or not much greater.
Where did you get the stats that show "according to the stats mass shootings are really not more common now than they have been in the past decades"?
Quit dodging.
Not that it matters, since it's clear you don't have any stats at all, let alone ones that show mass shootings are "really not more common" (whatever you think that means), and that as usual you're regurgitating misremembered and manufactured claptrap.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI suppose the next logical step is to preemptively jail people until they can prove they weren't planning to commit a crime.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn other words, your source is internally consistent. Of course it's Wikipedia, so that's par for the course.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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