Time To Smear Kavanaugh's Good Name...

[JimL]

I watched the whole thing yesterday, here is the bottom line. Dr Ford did not want to be publicly outed (the Dems did that). They had her letter in July and at that point they could have had called for a FBI investigation, that would have been quiet and protected Dr Ford's anonymity. But that is not what they wanted, they wanted to keep it as a trump card in case it looked like Kavanaugh would be confirmed. That is what they did, with the hope that others would come out of the woodwork with accusations. They could not stop the confirmation so they sought to destroy the man and his family. These leftists are sick.

So, you watched the whole thing, and that's what you took away?

[Mountain Man]

This hearing was set up to be a he said, she said, argument by the republicans. They know very well, just as does Kavanaugh himself, that an FBI investigation would have cleared the whole thing up, but unfortunately for the majority, and for Kavanaugh, they also knew that the investigation would have put an end to their bid to confirm Kavanaugh. Anyone who actually watched the hearing yesterday and still believes that Dr Ford made the whole story up, or was mistaken in her account, either know that they are lying to themselves, or they are just brain dead automatons.
Kavanaugh is scared to death of an FBI investigation, and so is the republican majority who is protecting Kavanaugh from one. Thats's why he kept defering to them, whatever they want to do he kept saying. And btw, the American Bar association just called for a delay until an FBI investigation is done. Good luck with that happening with this unethical bunch in charge of Congress!

I notice you didn't actually answer my question. Interesting.

[seer]

This hearing was set up to be a he said, she said, argument by the republicans. They know very well, just as does Kavanaugh himself, that an FBI investigation would have cleared the whole thing up, but unfortunately for the majority, and for Kavanaugh, they also knew that the investigation would have put an end to their bid to confirm Kavanaugh.

That is false Jim, the Dems could have called for a FBI investigation back in July when they first got Dr Ford's letter and still protect her anonymity. They held it as a trump card, they created this circus. I think they assured Kavanaugh's confirmation.

[Sparko]

Kavanaugh's ongoing willingness to lie about even basic things to Senate committees continues to astound me. Today in the hearings he was asked about the meanings of 4 terms on his yearbook page and he lied about 3 of them to make them sound innocent. His own classmates contradict him on 2 of them, but support him on a 3rd. On the 4th term (Renate alumnus) Kavanaugh changed his own story (from previously being that he'd given Renate a friendly kiss goodbye at the end of a party) to simply meaning that he was friends with Renate, whereas the term (which appears on numerous boys' pages that year) is an obvious reference to an alleged sexual conquest.

Previously Kavanaugh has lied to the committee about all sorts of other things ranging from whether he ever saw stolen democrat documents to how involved he was in shepherding another SCOTUS nominee through the process.

So while I would say it's theoretically possible that Kavanaugh was so drunk at the time that he doesn't remember attempting to rape Professor Ford, I would tend to say it's much more likely that this guy's just a serial liar who's used to being able to lie his way out of this sort of thing.

Well you have convinced me.


That Kavanaugh was telling the truth. Your views are so skewed that we can usually count on the opposite to be reality.


My takeaway from watching the hearing yesterday is that both sounded pretty credible to me. I believe something happened to Ford in her youth. But I am thinking she is remembering the wrong guy. Somewhere along the line she associate Kavanaugh with the incident and in her mind it is him who did this to her. But I believe it to be a false memory, since nobody can corroborate her memory of the incident as she describes it. Memory can be tricked like that.

Kavanaugh came off as very genuine and credible. He has detailed calendars to show what he was doing on every day. His friends back up his story where Ford's did not. He has had zero incidents or accusations like this in 40 years. Rapists usually don't change. If he treated women like that in high school he would have continued to do so as an adult. He claims he was a virgin until after college. I believe him. That would be too easy of a lie to bust. An old girlfriend could easily come forward and tear that apart.

[seer]

So, you watched the whole thing, and that's what you took away?

That and Dems are scum bags...

[Starlight]

while your name and family are maliciously drug through the mud?

It annoys me that when US conservatives are accused of something they always bring up their family when nobody else is. Kavanaugh is the accused. It has literally nothing to do with his family.

So his supposed outrage on behalf of his family came across as ridiculous and fake. Likewise you come across as ridiculous and doing fake concern-trolling by talking about the damage to his family. There is no damage to his family. I thought that this headline was pertinent: Parkland father to Kavanaugh: 'Your life and family are not ruined'.

I am sick of conservatives not taking personal responsibility for what they are accused of, and instead pretending the issue is about their family when their family has zero relevance to the matter.



In other news, I see Kavanaugh's classmates are condemning his lies under oath today:

"I watched the whole hearing, and a number of my Yale colleagues and I were extremely disappointed in Brett Kavanaugh's characterization of himself and the way that he evaded his excessive drinking question" and "was lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee today," Brookes said. "There is no doubt in my mind that while at Yale, he was a big partier, often drank to excess, and there had to be a number of nights where he does not remember." She said she can "almost guarantee" he doesn't remember a night she witnessed where he was "stumbling drunk, in a ridiculous costume, saying really dumb things" to pledge a fraternity.

Kavanaugh's Yale classmates take issue with his 'choir boy' self-presentation:

Liz Swisher... said "there's no medical way I can say that he was blacked out," but "it's not credible for him to say that he has had no memory lapses in the nights that he drank to excess." How did she know? "Brett was a sloppy drunk, and I know because I drank with him," she told the Post. "He'd end up slurring his words, stumbling." A freshman roommate of Kavanaugh's and almost a dozen other classmates remember the same thing.

One classmate, Stephen Kantrowitz, tweeted: "Perhaps Brett Kavanaugh was a virgin for many years after high school. But he claimed otherwise in a conversation with me during our freshman year in Lawrance Hall at Yale."

[Cow Poke]

Well you have convinced me.


That Kavanaugh was telling the truth. Your views are so skewed that we can usually count on the opposite to be reality.


My takeaway from watching the hearing yesterday is that both sounded pretty credible to me. I believe something happened to Ford in her youth. But I am thinking she is remembering the wrong guy. Somewhere along the line she associate Kavanaugh with the incident and in her mind it is him who did this to her. But I believe it to be a false memory, since nobody can corroborate her memory of the incident as she describes it. Memory can be tricked like that.

Kavanaugh came off as very genuine and credible. He has detailed calendars to show what he was doing on every day. His friends back up his story where Ford's did not. He has had zero incidents or accusations like this in 40 years. Rapists usually don't change. If he treated women like that in high school he would have continued to do so as an adult. He claims he was a virgin until after college. I believe him. That would be too easy of a lie to bust. An old girlfriend could easily come forward and tear that apart.

Not only did Ford's friends fail to corroborate her story, they actually refuted it. That's pretty powerful.

[Cow Poke]

It annoys that when US conservatives who are accused of something always bring up their family when nobody else is. Kavanaugh is the accused. It has literally nothing to do with his family.

If DiFi had done the honorable thing, his family wouldn't have had to be dragged through the mud like this, Star. I love my family, and I'd be even more hacked that THEY had to suffer than that I did. That's what family is all about.

[oxmixmudd]

For all of you defending Ford, suppose it was your butt on the line, and the only thing against you is a single inconsistent and uncorroborated accusation that is flatly denied by witnesses named by the accuser. Would you still intist that the accuser has a right to be believed while your name and family are maliciously drug through the mud?

Suppose it was your father, or brother, or son?

You are so completely wrong, at least as this relates to me MM. I absolutely understand how hard it would be to be in Kavanaugh's shoes on this, guilty or innocent, but especially if innocent.

And I'm not 'defending Ford' in the sense you imply here. But I doubt you can tell the difference between being fair to the possibility she believes what she is saying to be true and what you imply here. The reality is it is possible that either of these people could be telling the absolute truth, and it is also possible that BOTH of these people might believe they are telling the absolute truth. And that requires a very different approach than what is being taken here or at the Capitol.

The reality is MM, what you imply here is that the person speaking for a necessary respect for both sides of this issue is a person that simply can't be tolerated. To avoid being castigated by you, one must choose which person they believe to be telling the truth (and that person must be Kavanaugh), and having made that choice, one must decide that the other party (Ford) is lying with the most perverse motives - or at best mentally deficient - and after deciding that, one must 'defend' the party believed to be innocent (Kavanaugh) with all vigor and without mercy.

That is what you mean MM.

And someone like me - a person that sees exactly what you see as it relates to Kavanaugh or to any man potententially falsely accused of sexual harrassment, but who also sees in Dr. Ford a women that most likely was assaulted by someone and believes that someone was Kavanaugh. , is scum.

Therefore I will defend BOTH of them until and unless some actual facts surface that can decide the case. Only - in this forum, with you yahoos carrying on as you are, the only one of the two that NEEDS defending is Ford. Because most of you (at least in your opinions as cast in this thread) can't separate Dr. Ford the person from the Politics and the Circus of what yesterday was. And so many of you on Kavanaugh's side can see only little red demon eyes in anyone not taking the position I outlined above.



Jim

[Sparko]

Note that she faced no consequences for making those false accusations which is far too often the case. If she had then maybe she wouldn't have murdered her boyfriend a few years later.

Then there was this case that was just in the news:


Yovino sentenced to 1 year in false rape case
https://www.ctpost.com/news/article/...e-13177363.php

There have been several false rape cases in the news over the last few years.

[firstfloor]

Mitchell the attorney says that as a prosecutor, based on yesterday's testimony and the lack of evidence to support the accusations, she wouldn't file charges or even ask for a search warrant.

[Starlight]

his family wouldn't have had to be dragged through the mud like this

His family is not being dragged through the mud. He is answering allegations about something that happened to him at high-school long before his family existed. They are not involved in any way. I find it disgusting and sick that conservatives insist on bringing their family into it / pretending the family is involved when they are not.

[Cow Poke]

You mean it's SUPPOSED to be a job interview. In a real job interview (I've done hundreds) when you have derogatory information, you present it to the candidate privately for their response - you don't publicize it for the world to see.

[lilpixieofterror]

It annoys me that when US conservatives are accused of something they always bring up their family when nobody else is. Kavanaugh is the accused. It has literally nothing to do with his family.

So his supposed outrage on behalf of his family came across as ridiculous and fake. Likewise you come across as ridiculous and doing fake concern-trolling by talking about the damage to his family. There is no damage to his family. I thought that this headline was pertinent: Parkland father to Kavanaugh: 'Your life and family are not ruined'.

I am sick of conservatives not taking personal responsibility for what they are accused of, and instead pretending the issue is about their family when their family has zero relevance to the matter.



In other news, I see Kavanaugh's classmates are condemning his lies under oath today:

"I watched the whole hearing, and a number of my Yale colleagues and I were extremely disappointed in Brett Kavanaugh's characterization of himself and the way that he evaded his excessive drinking question" and "was lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee today," Brookes said. "There is no doubt in my mind that while at Yale, he was a big partier, often drank to excess, and there had to be a number of nights where he does not remember." She said she can "almost guarantee" he doesn't remember a night she witnessed where he was "stumbling drunk, in a ridiculous costume, saying really dumb things" to pledge a fraternity.

Kavanaugh's Yale classmates take issue with his 'choir boy' self-presentation:

Liz Swisher... said "there's no medical way I can say that he was blacked out," but "it's not credible for him to say that he has had no memory lapses in the nights that he drank to excess." How did she know? "Brett was a sloppy drunk, and I know because I drank with him," she told the Post. "He'd end up slurring his words, stumbling." A freshman roommate of Kavanaugh's and almost a dozen other classmates remember the same thing.

One classmate, Stephen Kantrowitz, tweeted: "Perhaps Brett Kavanaugh was a virgin for many years after high school. But he claimed otherwise in a conversation with me during our freshman year in Lawrance Hall at Yale."

[Cow Poke]

His family is not being dragged through the mud. He is answering allegations about something that happened to him at high-school long before his family existed. They are not involved in any way. I find it disgusting and sick that conservatives insist on bringing their family into it / pretending the family is involved when they are not.

Well, you think it's OK to kill babies, so....