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Last edited by JimL; 10-12-2018, 09:34 PM.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow - I hadn't heard THAT nutter question before.
On balance of probability, given Dr Ford's credible testimony (even acknowledged as such by Trump at the time), combined with Kavanaugh's substantive reputation among contemporary's as an aggressive, belligerent drunk, very likely prone to the memory blackouts commonplace among such people, then is is a reasonable assumption that Kavanaugh is guilty as charged.
Unfortunately, so determined was Trump's support base to get Kavanaugh confirmed, that the additional corroborative evidence required to reinforce this probability was deliberately curtained by the WH's limitations placed upon the FBI investigation. But who cares about truth and justice in this regime? Answer: Not Trump, he has his Evangelical base to keep happy.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe evidence of his lying to Congress is beyond doubt, both under oath in 2006 when working for the Bush administration, and during his confirmation hearing in September. That you can't admit to that only shows that you are either ignorant as to his testimony, or you just refuse to see the facts and could never admit to them."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by tassman View Postthere was more than that one line to which you responded.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostYou keep asserting it, but you keep failing to produce the evidence asked for. Why, did your masters not program you with that part?Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt is my opinion that 'fingers in the ears' is fairly common in Civics 101, and that most of the time when the accusations is levied, the one making the accusation is about as guilty as the one being accused.
JimVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI see your opinion, and up the ante by opining that those with fingers in their ears are rarely aware of just where their fingers are.
I really get the difficulty OBP. And I am not claiming I'm not guilty. I'm just saying I don't see anyone willing to listen to anyone that doesn't already agree with them.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIf my fingers are in my ears, I can't see them. But I can see yours.
I really get the difficulty OBP. And I am not claiming I'm not guilty. I'm just saying I don't see anyone willing to listen to anyone that doesn't already agree with them.
JimVeritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI'm more than willing to look for middle ground - but no one seems interested in that. When the other side is painted as evil incarnate, you're not going to find many willing to listen.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIt's hardly worth my time with you Lipix, you could simply google it yourself if you truly cared to know. But here you are. Kavanaugh was found to have lied to Congress back in 2006 when he said under oath that he had nothing to do with the rules governing the detention of combatants,
he denied having knowledge of and participating in the GOP's hacking of Senate Democrat computer files which were used to get Bush nominated judges confirmed.
When you make goofy, baseless accusations like this, it's hard to take the rest of what you say seriously.
And he lied in September concerning the nature of his drinking as well as the meaning of his yearbook entries, i.e. the meaning of "the devils triangle", "Boofing" and Renate Alumnus. The fact that he lied under oath is in itself disqualifying for a seat on the highest court in the land.
In regards to the drinking habits, as far as I can tell that's speculation. His basic statement was that he did drink a lot, maybe even too much, but never blacked out. It's questionable that he never went that far, but it's ultimately speculative to claim that he most definitely did black out and therefore lied, unless someone actually has evidence of that, which (to my knowledge) there is none. There was a classmate who said Kavanaugh was a heavy enough drinker that he doubted that Kavanaugh never blacked out, but even they never claimed they were sure he never blacked out. So your claim it's a "fact" that he lied under oath is incorrect.
If someone wants to argue that his claims regarding the drinking or yearbook were questionable, fine, but to claim they were definitely lies is reaching far beyond the facts.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostTo claim he lied requires both creative reinterpretation of his statements in addition to taking them out of context. See here.
And there is no proof to indicate he did have knowledge. The situation was that Manuel Miranda managed to get copies of various Democrat computer files (through meanings that were technically not illegal) and then shared the information he found with others, including Kavanaugh. But in all of their published e-mails, there's not proof that Kavanaugh actually knew the information came from the copied Democratic memos.
When you make goofy, baseless accusations like this, it's hard to take the rest of what you say seriously.
These accusations have a little more merit in that they're not completely baseless, but have problems regardless. First, even if what Kavanaugh stated about their definitions was wrong, that doesn't equal a lie because he could have been mistaken--I know I probably forgot most of the slang terms used back when I was in high school. But whether his statements were even incorrect is another issue. In regards to the yearbook, the claims he lied comes from some former classmates saying the statements weren't true (although some of these "claims" come through third parties and thus is not possible to double-check), but then you can find former classmates who say that the statements Kavanaugh made were true. Of course, you immediately jump into believing whichever side happens to confirm your pre-existing partisan biases (to be fair, the conservatives do that also).
In regards to the drinking habits, as far as I can tell that's speculation. His basic statement was that he did drink a lot, maybe even too much, but never blacked out. It's questionable that he never went that far, but it's ultimately speculative to claim that he most definitely did black out and therefore lied, unless someone actually has evidence of that, which (to my knowledge) there is none. There was a classmate who said Kavanaugh was a heavy enough drinker that he doubted that Kavanaugh never blacked out, but even they never claimed they were sure he never blacked out. So your claim it's a "fact" that he lied under oath is incorrect.
If someone wants to argue that his claims regarding the drinking or yearbook were questionable, fine, but to claim they were definitely lies is reaching far beyond the facts.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postnonsense!!!!
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So, presumably you believe we should have said, "No way we will vote for this or any other immoral person!" Presumably you would have found that to be laudable.
Would you find the following similarly praiseworthy?
-- "No way we will vote for a Roman Catholic!"
-- "No way we will vote for an Orthodox believer!"
-- "No way we will vote for a Jew!"
-- "No way we will vote for a Mormon!"
-- "No way we will vote for a Jehovah's Witness!"
-- "No way we will vote for an atheist or any other infidel!"Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostSo, presumably you believe we should have said, "No way we will vote for this or any other immoral person!" Presumably you would have found that to be laudable.
One of the alternates would be to push back hard on Trump when he veers into immoral territory, or when he acts unwisely. To let him know beyond a shadow of a doubt that any support he got was just because of the two available choices he happened to be a slightly better choice overall, but by no means a good choice.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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