Damien Chazelle omits "dramatization" of placing flag on Moon.

[oxmixmudd]

To assert that the Apollo Moon landing was anything other than a distinctly American achievement and a source of pride for our country is a blatant rewriting of history. Armstrong and Alrdin planting the flag and saluting it is one of the most iconic moments in the history of space exploration.

hey MM, we finally agree on something. It is really, really stupid to try to rewrite the history of the event that way.

Jim

[Psychic Missile]

I'm sure it was well-made with good acting. The problem is that they turned Armstrong from an American patriot into a liberal mouth piece.

You should go watch THE RIGHT STUFF instead.

How does the movie make Armstrong a "liberal mouth piece"? I can't find anything about it, and it would be surprising considering Armstrong's sons approve of the movie.

[rogue06]

How does the movie make Armstrong a "liberal mouth piece"? I can't find anything about it, and it would be surprising considering Armstrong's sons approve of the movie.

Were they aware that part of the apparent motivation of eliminating the scene was apparently to downplay and devalue their father's strong patriotic beliefs? As Ryan Gosling made clear he doesn't think Armstrong "viewed himself as an American hero" and the movie wants to turn a distinctly American achievement into "a human achievement."

Further, do his sons share their father's strong patriotic beliefs? I mean, one's children don't always follow in their father's footsteps and as any parent can attest they often have children that do things that they don't approve of and oppose. In fact the Bible explicitly tells us that children will rebel against their parents.

The son of Michael Behe, a leading figure in the Intelligent Design movement, has announced that he is an "outspoken atheist" (Leo's own term). The daughter of Matthew J. Slick, the president of Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM), announced that she is an atheist. The son of Tony Campolo, a leader of the Red-Letter Christian movement, announced that he no longer believes in God.

OTOH, the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, probably the most outspoken atheist in the U.S. during the second half of the 20th century, is an evangelistic minister.

History is full of such examples where the children didn't follow in their parent's footsteps. American Revolutionary leader Benjamin Franklin had a son, William, who was a staunch Tory. And then William had a son who rebelled against him and became Benjamin's secretary when he was a diplomat in France.

Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy was pretty conservative but his sons, JFK, RFK, and "Teddy" were decidedly liberal. Conservative author David Horowitz had parents who were dyed-in-the-wool members of the Communist Party.[1] And getting away from politics and religion, Ernest Hemingway and his non-hunting, teetotaler sons

And just because George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush were very active in the leadership of the eugenics societies doesn't automatically mean that either George Herbert Walker Bush or George Walker Bush (or any other living member of the Bush family) support eugenics.







1. One recent study published in the British Journal of Political Science found that parents with strong political views often have children with very dissimilar views once those children become adults: Why Does the Apple Fall Far from the Tree? How Early Political Socialization Prompts Parent-Child Dissimilarity

[Psychic Missile]

Were they aware that part of the apparent motivation of eliminating the scene was apparently to downplay and devalue their father's strong patriotic beliefs? As Ryan Gosling made clear he doesn't think Armstrong "viewed himself as an American hero" and the movie wants to turn a distinctly American achievement into "a human achievement."

Further, do his sons share their father's strong patriotic beliefs? I mean, one's children don't always follow in their father's footsteps and as any parent can attest they often have children that do things that they don't approve of and oppose. In fact the Bible explicitly tells us that children will rebel against their parents.

The son of Michael Behe, a leading figure in the Intelligent Design movement, has announced that he is an "outspoken atheist" (Leo's own term). The daughter of Matthew J. Slick, the president of Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM), announced that she is an atheist. The son of Tony Campolo, a leader of the Red-Letter Christian movement, announced that he no longer believes in God.

OTOH, the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, probably the most outspoken atheist in the U.S. during the second half of the 20th century, is an evangelistic minister.

History is full of such examples where the children didn't follow in their parent's footsteps. American Revolutionary leader Benjamin Franklin had a son, William, who was a staunch Tory. And then William had a son who rebelled against him and became Benjamin's secretary when he was a diplomat in France.

Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy was pretty conservative but his sons, JFK, RFK, and "Teddy" were decidedly liberal. Conservative author David Horowitz had parents who were dyed-in-the-wool members of the Communist Party.[1] And getting away from politics and religion, Ernest Hemingway and his non-hunting, teetotaler sons

And just because George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush were very active in the leadership of the eugenics societies doesn't automatically mean that either George Herbert Walker Bush or George Walker Bush (or any other living member of the Bush family) support eugenics.







1. One recent study published in the British Journal of Political Science found that parents with strong political views often have children with very dissimilar views once those children become adults: Why Does the Apple Fall Far from the Tree? How Early Political Socialization Prompts Parent-Child Dissimilarity

Why do you think the purpose was to downplay and devalue political beliefs? It's true that one's children are not necessarily the best arbiters on one's portrayal, but they're at the top of the list of the best potential advocates for accurate portrayal. Ultimately, their opinion doesn't matter as much as the evidence, which is why I was asking for it.

[Faber]

Were they aware that part of the apparent motivation of eliminating the scene was apparently to downplay and devalue their father's strong patriotic beliefs? As Ryan Gosling made clear he doesn't think Armstrong "viewed himself as an American hero" and the movie wants to turn a distinctly American achievement into "a human achievement."

Further, do his sons share their father's strong patriotic beliefs? I mean, one's children don't always follow in their father's footsteps and as any parent can attest they often have children that do things that they don't approve of and oppose. In fact the Bible explicitly tells us that children will rebel against their parents.

The son of Michael Behe, a leading figure in the Intelligent Design movement, has announced that he is an "outspoken atheist" (Leo's own term). The daughter of Matthew J. Slick, the president of Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM), announced that she is an atheist. The son of Tony Campolo, a leader of the Red-Letter Christian movement, announced that he no longer believes in God.

OTOH, the son of Madalyn Murray O'Hair, probably the most outspoken atheist in the U.S. during the second half of the 20th century, is an evangelistic minister.

History is full of such examples where the children didn't follow in their parent's footsteps. American Revolutionary leader Benjamin Franklin had a son, William, who was a staunch Tory. And then William had a son who rebelled against him and became Benjamin's secretary when he was a diplomat in France.

Joseph Patrick "Joe" Kennedy was pretty conservative but his sons, JFK, RFK, and "Teddy" were decidedly liberal. Conservative author David Horowitz had parents who were dyed-in-the-wool members of the Communist Party.[1] And getting away from politics and religion, Ernest Hemingway and his non-hunting, teetotaler sons

And just because George Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush were very active in the leadership of the eugenics societies doesn't automatically mean that either George Herbert Walker Bush or George Walker Bush (or any other living member of the Bush family) support eugenics.







1. One recent study published in the British Journal of Political Science found that parents with strong political views often have children with very dissimilar views once those children become adults: Why Does the Apple Fall Far from the Tree? How Early Political Socialization Prompts Parent-Child Dissimilarity

And don't forget Ronald Reagan's kids.

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[One Bad Pig]

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Why are you treating the "First" as something special? Quit denigrating everyone else, hater.

[Sparko]

Why are you treating the "First" as something special? Quit denigrating everyone else, hater.

You offended me!

[rogue06]

You offended me!

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