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DeSantis Uses Racist Dog Whistle...
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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostExcept I never heard it in New Orleans either. Odd...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou didn't go far enough from "town".The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSo you are admitting you were outraged
and didn't even bother to check what he had said?
That's quite dishonest.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostNone of the those phrases are the one used by DeSantis, which was "monkey this up", not just "monkey".
Phrases such as "brass monkey", "powder monkey" and "monkey wrench" not having racist connotations doesn't whitewash the racist connotations of other phrases such as "porch monkey" and "banana-eating jungle monkey".
Again, I defy you or anyone else defending DeSantis to cite any usage of "monkey this up" other than the DeSantis one.
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostSo the one and only use of "monkey it up" Google can find is this lone occasion where DeSantis used it, where nothing about the context suggested race (except in the minds of people who are themselves obsessed with race), where the usage is much like a variation of "monkey around" or "muck it up."
The only reasons to claim it must be a racist dog whistle are dishonesty and depravity.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
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Than a fool in the eyes of God
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostSo the one and only use of "monkey it up" Google can find is this lone occasion where DeSantis used it, where nothing about the context suggested race (except in the minds of people who are themselves obsessed with race), where the usage is much like a variation of "monkey around" or "muck it up."
The only reasons to claim it must be a racist dog whistle are dishonesty and depravity.
Don't MESS this up by letting a MONKEY be governor.
It's clever in a way, Monkey carries a relevant double meaning in this case, and so it carries that meaning to anyone that is familiar with how the term is used in a racist context, not naive about how the term is used by racists.
So what we get back to then is what Carpe tried to get to, is there a reason to believe this politician would be motivated to make that little substitution on purpose.
But nowhere does it mean the people offended by that are 'dishonest and/or depraved'. That is, in many ways, a sick conclusion. Racism is NOT dead in this country. As far as we've come, we still have a ways to go. And it is nothing less than ignorant to pretend there is something wrong with the people that took offense.
However, it would be very simple for DeSantis to defuse this.
"Wow, I am so sorry. I see how that could have been taken, and I give you my word it was simply a mistake. Please accept my apology and know I work hard to make sure my speech and life relflects not one element of the depravity that would have made it possible for such a phrase to imply I was meaning that my primary issue with Gillum was related to his race. Gillum is a worthy opponent but we disagree on issues of policy."
So why can't he just do that (at least as of this writing I see no indication he has)? Because either it's not true (he did mean it to carry a racist impllication), he's clueless as to the effect of racism over history (and there are plenty here in that camp, so a real possibility) or he simply isn't capable of being gracious just like the Conspiracy Theorist in Chief.
Which again brings into view just how a man like Trump in office degrades this country and lowers the bar of public discourse to the point of real shame.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 08-31-2018, 07:35 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"I've never heard that term before, but I'm pretty sure it's racist!" says the racist.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"I've never heard that term before, but I'm pretty sure it's racist!" says the racist.
Are you so callous that knowing that is how racists use the term that you can't empathize with how persons growing up and the target of such terminology might hear exactly what was reported and be sickened by it?
Or are you the fellow that just doesn't care about what has been done to black people historically by white people? They should just get over it - right? Sure a few lynchings happened here or there a long time ago, but nothing like that happens today. Right?
Is that how you think MM?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHas anybody been able to show any kind of racist pattern in this guy at ALL, besides this "monkey" comment?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHas anybody been able to show any kind of racist pattern in this guy at ALL, besides this "monkey" comment?
By doubling down, he rather looks more and more like he has either an inappropriately ignorant understanding of the issue of racism in this country and has no intention of learning more (i.e. finding out why a large number of people could have heard what they heard in that comment), or he actually is racist and wants the statement to stand.
Jim
* 16% black the majority of which because of their own experiences with racism and that term would have heard it that way, at least that many non-blacks both Democrat and Republican that would have heard exactly what I heard, plus some percentage of racists encouraged by his use of the phrase.Last edited by oxmixmudd; 08-31-2018, 08:18 AM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostRight now the strongest evidence is that he can't mount any kind of reasonable apology.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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