Free Health Care For All...

[Sparko]

ObamaCare quadrupled (at least) the time and money necessary for compliance. Many smaller practices had to combine, or be bought up by bigger conglomerates because they could not meet the requirements for compliance without outside help.

Yeah I remember my doctor's office basically stopped taking certain patients because of Obamacare. They didn't have the resources to comply and handle the paperwork. So much for "less paperwork with government in control of healthcare"

[carpedm9587]

When it ends up costing a person AS MUCH or MORE than just getting full on private insurance, and you get worst service, then it is crazy and messed up. You asked me why I am hesitant to support socialized medicine. I told you. The government can't even get medicare right or keep it funded so how can they do it for the entire nation?

They can't, until and unless Congress stops being so partisan and works together to create a reasonable and well-structured system.

correct. It probably WILL cover abortions but not dental. That is the sort of stuff I am worried about.

I have no way of knowing what it will or will not cover, given that it's not even yet a proposition that is being seriously considered by Congress.

and end up costing people more in the end. Paying outrageous taxes and still having to pay for private coverage too.

I have no way of knowing what it will or will not cost, given that it's not even yet a proposition that is being seriously considered by Congress.

So now you see why I qualified my approval of socialized medicine. It is good in theory but I have strong doubts about it being implemented correctly or efficiently.

I have similar concerns in our current political climate.

[Sparko]

They can't, until and unless Congress stops being so partisan and works together to create a reasonable and well-structured system.



I have no way of knowing what it will or will not cover, given that it's not even yet a proposition that is being seriously considered by Congress.



I have no way of knowing what it will or will not cost, given that it's not even yet a proposition that is being seriously considered by Congress.



I have similar concerns in our current political climate.

I am thinking that if they can't even handle socialized medicine on a portion of our population (the elderly) and they have been using it for decades, then there is very little chance they could come up with a workable system for everyone. They also have to keep the insurance lobby happy. They will not want to suddenly be irrelevant or put out of business. Not to mention the pharmaceutical companies. So they will do something like medicare for everyone with the insurance companies picking up the slack and making everything complicated and expensive.

[lilpixieofterror]

In reality Lilpix, and as is usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Cow Poke]

I am thinking that if they can't even handle socialized medicine on a portion of our population (the elderly) and they have been using it for decades, then there is very little chance they could come up with a workable system for everyone. They also have to keep the insurance lobby happy. They will not want to suddenly be irrelevant or put out of business. Not to mention the pharmaceutical companies. So they will do something like medicare for everyone with the insurance companies picking up the slack and making everything complicated and expensive.

Look at the mess the Veterans Administration has been in.

[lilpixieofterror]

Why that's odd OBP, I didn't see you telling Lilpix to back up her assertion.

[One Bad Pig]

Why that's odd OBP, I didn't see you telling Lilpix to back up her assertion.

Lilpix should back up her assertion, too.

Your move.

[carpedm9587]

I am thinking that if they can't even handle socialized medicine on a portion of our population (the elderly) and they have been using it for decades, then there is very little chance they could come up with a workable system for everyone. They also have to keep the insurance lobby happy. They will not want to suddenly be irrelevant or put out of business. Not to mention the pharmaceutical companies. So they will do something like medicare for everyone with the insurance companies picking up the slack and making everything complicated and expensive.

Maybe - but then we don't really know what it would look like because Congress is not seriously considering it.

[Sparko]

Look at the mess the Veterans Administration has been in.

heck I forgot about that! Yeah. Total mess.

Although Tricare, the Military health insurance that active and retired military and their dependents get, was always really good. I lost it when I turned 21, but my parents both had it and it took care of them very well.

[Cow Poke]

heck I forgot about that! Yeah. Total mess.

Although Tricare, the Military health insurance that active and retired military and their dependents get, was always really good. I lost it when I turned 21, but my parents both had it and it took care of them very well.

I haven't dealt with the VA in, probably, 20 years, but back then, I often took our vets to the hospital or doctor appointments, and it angered me the way they were treated. You sign in, and sit and wait... often for HOURS, and on more than one occasion, they were told they had to "come back tomorrow".

[carpedm9587]

heck I forgot about that! Yeah. Total mess.

Although Tricare, the Military health insurance that active and retired military and their dependents get, was always really good. I lost it when I turned 21, but my parents both had it and it took care of them very well.

Again, I'd want to see more than anecdotes. My dad had VA coverage and it was never a problem and they were especially excellent in his final days. But that's just an anecdote. Data, anyone?

[Sparko]

Again, I'd want to see more than anecdotes. My dad had VA coverage and it was never a problem and they were especially excellent in his final days. But that's just an anecdote. Data, anyone?

Haven't you been paying attention to the news and controversies regarding the VA, how they treated veterans, or rather didn't treat them, about the lack of staff and doctors so bad that they have closed several VA hospitals? Is this another one of your denial moments?

[Cow Poke]

Anecdotes bad!

Again, I'd want to see more than anecdotes.

Anecdotes GOOD!

My dad had VA coverage and it was never a problem and they were especially excellent in his final days.

Anecdotes dismissed...

But that's just an anecdote.

Just Google Veterans Administration scandal

Data, anyone?

[carpedm9587]

Anecdotes bad!

Anecdotes GOOD!

Anecdotes dismissed...

Anecdotes are excellent teaching tools. i use them all the time. They just are very poor data to make an argument.

Just Google Veterans Administration scandal

Interesting exercise. There have apparently been several over the last century. But then again, the same is true of several government departments. It does not follow, for me, that a department that suffers a scandal is a "bad department" or means it shouldn't exist. It just means there is a situation to resolve. And, sometimes, the scandal is largely fabricated. Remember the big IRS scandal about them targeting/investigating right-leaning organizations? Turns out they were targeting/investigating left-leaning organizations as well. They were targeting ANY organization that appeared to have a political dimension and was trying to be a 501(c) non-profit. But the attention was all put on the right-leaning ones, creating a "scandal" where there really was none. Based on what I've read, I do believe the VA needs some attention and the negligence is "scandalous." I would not dismantle the VA. I'd find someone(s) to fix the problem.

Now THAT is funny!

[carpedm9587]

Haven't you been paying attention to the news and controversies regarding the VA, how they treated veterans, or rather didn't treat them, about the lack of staff and doctors so bad that they have closed several VA hospitals? Is this another one of your denial moments?

No. It is one of my "more than anecdotes" please, moments. There are many articles about the situation. Articles are OK. I'm looking for the data behind them.