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[oxmixmudd]

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He wasn't joking about committing a treasonous act but rather saying that since the Russians, having hacked her server, probably have copies of her "lost" emails with the joke being asking them to release them. It was entirely a dig about Hillary's handling of the emails.

It is really mind blowing how anyone can twist it otherwise.

He was asking them to look for them, not give them up having already found them. The only way to do that would be to hack the systems or find someone else that already had hacked the systems.

And it wasn't 'after the fact', their hacking efforts were, in fact, coincident with the request.


Jim

[KingsGambit]

How long did he serve in the senate afterwards? Was he ever charged for it? If Ted Kennedy can get away with asking an enemy we were engaged in a Cold War with to interfere with an election, why is it suddenly an issue now?

Ted Kennedy should have been arrested after Chappaquiddick in the first place, so he shouldn't even have been in that position. But assuming that this claim is correct (and it is debated whether Kennedy actually did that), it would constitute treason, yes. None of this has any bearing on the morality of Trump's actions.

[oxmixmudd]

How long did he serve in the senate afterwards? Was he ever charged for it? If Ted Kennedy can get away with asking an enemy we were engaged in a Cold War with to interfere with an election, why is it suddenly an issue now?

It would have been wrong in both cases. The fact some one else got away with it doesn't make it right. Do you define what is right by what someone else could get away with?


Jim

[KingsGambit]

Using this standard, any politician caught taking a bribe could deflect criticism by pointing to political machine bosses in major cities from decades ago who operated in the open and were never prosecuted.

[lilpixieofterror]

Ted Kennedy should have been arrested after Chappaquiddick in the first place, so he shouldn't even have been in that position. But assuming that this claim is correct (and it is debated whether Kennedy actually did that), it would constitute treason, yes. None of this has any bearing on the morality of Trump's actions.

Sure it does because it sets the pattern. If Ted Kennedy can say something worse and get to keep his position, the same is true for Trump.

[lilpixieofterror]

It would have been wrong in both cases. The fact some one else got away with it doesn't make it right. Do you define what is right by what someone else could get away with?


Jim

[KingsGambit]

Sure it does because it sets the pattern. If Ted Kennedy can say something worse and get to keep his position, the same is true for Trump.

So what about my other example? Should Rod Blagojevich have kept his job because there have been other unprosecuted examples of bribery in American history? Should all drug users go free because Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg openly use drugs and don't get prosecuted?

As Christians, we absolutely must reject this sort of might makes right moral reasoning.

(And "new rules" when all you have is a disputed instance from 1984?)

[lilpixieofterror]

So what about my other example? Should Rod Blagojevich have kept his job because there have been other unprosecuted examples of bribery in American history? Should all drug users go free because Willie Nelson and Snoop Dogg openly use drugs and don't get prosecuted?

As Christians, we absolutely must reject this sort of might makes right moral reasoning.

(And "new rules" when all you have is a disputed instance from 1984?)

[KingsGambit]

I do love the grandstanding

No answer? You specifically said Trump was in the clear because of what Kennedy allegedly did. I'd like to see you defend that claim.

[Tassman]

He wasn't joking about committing a treasonous act but rather saying that since the Russians, having hacked her server, probably have copies of her "lost" emails with the joke being asking them to release them. It was entirely a dig about Hillary's handling of the emails.

It is really mind blowing how anyone can twist it otherwise.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ump-indictment

[Charles]

The issue here is that to support trump in his gross immorality is an obvious hypocricy. So if we claim say to love the poor and then support political policies that oppress the poor then we bring shame to the Gospel. It does not matter what the political party is.

Very well put!

[lilpixieofterror]

No answer? You specifically said Trump was in the clear because of what Kennedy allegedly did. I'd like to see you defend that claim.

[oxmixmudd]

I'm not 'getting mad'. I'm pointing out it was wrong and treasonous. And I'm consistent in may application of that accusation across any and all that would try to engage a foreign power to aid them in an election.

And to be clear - I don't excuse Hillary's abuse of her security clearance. In fact, we'd all be better off if BOTH Trump and Hillary paid for their abuses and we got someone else in there that had some integrity ... assuming such a politician exists (that of course is another problem entirely give the GOP's unveiling of their true colors by not standing up to Trumps antics - and I doubt it is any better on the other side).


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

No answer? You specifically said Trump was in the clear because of what Kennedy allegedly did. I'd like to see you defend that claim.

I just noticed your avatar. I'll amen that ... :)

Jim

[lilpixieofterror]

I'm not 'getting mad'. I'm pointing out it was wrong and treasonous. And I'm consistent in may application of that accusation across any and all that would try to engage a foreign power to aid them in an election.

And the law that bit of political rhetoric broke was...

And to be clear - I don't excuse Hillary's abuse of her security clearance. In fact, we'd all be better off if BOTH Trump and Hillary paid for their abuses and we got someone else in there that had some integrity ... assuming such a politician exists (that of course is another problem entirely give the GOP's unveiling of their true colors by not standing up to Trumps antics - and I doubt it is any better on the other side).