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Harvard Study: Christianity Is Not Shrinking, But Growing Stronger In The US.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostOnly one thing? I wonder what Bible you are reading.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostSurely you two could be somewhat more charitable in your responses to each other. MM is not saying that there's only one difference, but that he has a single "critical difference" in mind - which is not entirely fair, in that he's asking you to read his mind.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostSurely you two could be somewhat more charitable in your responses to each other. MM is not saying that there's only one difference, but that he has a single "critical difference" in mind - which is not entirely fair, in that he's asking you to read his mind.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAnybody who knows Christianity as well as skeptics like Jimmy and Chuck claim then they should be able to name THE factor that makes Christianity unique among all other religions. But I'll let them off the hook of they ask nicely.
ETA: Huh. I had a couple things in mind, but that verse doesn't lead to either of them.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis is your opinion, nothing more than that, opinion. You are simply asserting things - things that aren't actually true.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI'll bet you can't describe the key similarities between the myths and crhristianity.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWell, I must admit to not being sure what you're driving at, either.
ETA: Huh. I had a couple things in mind, but that verse doesn't lead to either of them.
My point is that Christianity is the only religion that rests entirely on a single, mundane fact of history. As Paul says, without the resurrection, the entire thing collapses. This is what sets Christianity apart. It's also what gives Christianity its incredible resilience even in times of persecution, because it is grounded in history. Trying to rationally disprove Christianity is on the same level as trying to rationally disprove, say, that George Washington was the first US president. It can't be done. People can only stubbornly reject the facts, but they can't disprove that it really happened.
Like I explained to a co-worker once, the Bible is not some mystical, religious tome. At a very basic level, it's simply a historical record of God's interaction with mankind.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt seems I was being too clever for my own good.
My point is that Christianity is the only religion that rests entirely on a single, mundane fact of history. As Paul says, without the resurrection, the entire thing collapses. This is what sets Christianity apart. It's also what gives Christianity its incredible resilience even in times of persecution, because it is grounded in history. Trying to rationally disprove Christianity is on the same level as trying to rationally disprove, say, that George Washington was the first US president. It can't be done. People can only stubbornly reject the facts, but they can't disprove that it really happened.
Like I explained to a co-worker once, the Bible is not some mystical, religious tome. At a very basic level, it's simply a historical record of God's interaction with mankind.Last edited by JimL; 07-14-2018, 09:04 AM.
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Originally posted by JimLanebrain View PostIf someone claims that he saw a man walk on water, no one can prove that it was not an historical event. Only the naive would believe it, or the scammers use it, for their own purposes.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf someone claims that he saw a man walk on water, no one can prove that it was not an historical event. Only the naive would believe it, or the scammers use it, for their own purposes.
The truth is, you don't want to believe - that's up to you. But you are making a mistake trying to pass off personal doubt for reasoned skepticism."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by JimL View PostIf someone claims that he saw a man walk on water, no one can prove that it was not an historical event. Only the naive would believe it, or the scammers use it, for their own purposes."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt seems I was being too clever for my own good.
My point is that Christianity is the only religion that rests entirely on a single, mundane fact of history. As Paul says, without the resurrection, the entire thing collapses. This is what sets Christianity apart. It's also what gives Christianity its incredible resilience even in times of persecution, because it is grounded in history. Trying to rationally disprove Christianity is on the same level as trying to rationally disprove, say, that George Washington was the first US president. It can't be done. People can only stubbornly reject the facts, but they can't disprove that it really happened.
Like I explained to a co-worker once, the Bible is not some mystical, religious tome. At a very basic level, it's simply a historical record of God's interaction with mankind.Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have? Romans 8:24For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 1 Corinthians 13:12So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen, since what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal. 2 Corinthians 4:18
The heart of it is that it points to something far more important than historical facts, far beyond the grasp of the human mind. As a wise man once said there is no reason to believe in the God whose existence can be proven. First of all proof would remove the need for faith, but second and more important, it would be a very limited God if it was within the grasp of our capabilities to understand it.
"Although the Resurrection was an historical event that could be verified by the sign of the empty tomb and by the reality of the apostles' encounters with the risen Christ, still it remains at the very heart of the mystery of faith as something that transcends and surpasses history." Catholic Church CatechismLast edited by Charles; 07-15-2018, 04:32 AM.
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