Separating immigrant families and imprisoning children

[Starlight]

Mexico asks United Nations to intervene on family separation by U.S.:


Hopefully the U.N. will have the spine to do something.

US Ambassador to the UN, Nikki Haley, will doubtless do her normal trick of throwing a tantrum, blaming everyone else, and causing everyone in the world to laugh at the US. She's really not up to the job, perhaps even by as much as Trump's not up to his.

[thewriteranon]

You can apply for asylum from within the United States, but as far as I understand it's assuming you've entered validly, such as with a travel visa. Asylum does not have to be petitioned for outside of the United States.

[Cow Poke]

Hopefully the U.N. will have the spine to do something.

That's a good one!

[Starlight]

That's a good one!

Well the US is usually the one sabotaging the UN having a spine, by either using its security council veto or openly holding UN funding hostage.

If the UN is openly and directly critiquing the US, the US's power to sabotage that might be less than usual.

[Cow Poke]

Well the US is usually the one sabotaging the UN having a spine, by either using its security council veto or openly holding UN funding hostage.

If the UN is openly and directly critiquing the US, the US's power to sabotage that might be less than usual.

I'm beginning to wonder what drugs you're on - you are worried silly about corruption in the US, yet you hold the UN to some high standard of.....

wow

The UN is corruption personified on steroids.

[Starlight]

you are worried silly about corruption in the US

I'm worried about corruption in all countries. International studies have identified it as one of the major underlying causes of the different levels of happiness in different countries, and one of the key measures of a well-functioning government and society.

I'm deeply worried about corruption here and we rank as the least corrupt country in the world. Do you know why we do? Because people here are actually concerned about stopping corruption.

But it's not like most of the US isn't concerned about their politicians being corrupt. Everyone in the US knows their politicians are bought and paid for by big donors. That's one reason why Bernie and Trump did so well, because they campaigned on 'draining the swamp' (a lie in Trump's case, he is the swamp and his cabinet is probably the single most corrupt cabinet in US history).

The UN is corruption personified on steroids.

The UN has a few problems, but I generally wouldn't say corruption is a big one of them. Vastly worse would be the ways in which the US tries to subvert the UN's purposes and activities.

[Cow Poke]

The UN has a few problems...

That's likes saying Jack the Ripper occasionally hurt some feelings.

[Sparko]

Of course not. So why does that matter?

It means that they would probably rather stay in the US detention center and wait in line there than end up back in Mexico waiting in tents and shacks. Our evil facilities are probably light-years nicer than the Mexican side.

Now that the policy has been adjusted - on dime and one our land.

Yes.

3. Knowing they will be locked up while waiting to see if they can get in does reinforce doing it the right way instead

.On our dime and on our land.

No, it encourages those who DON'T want to be locked up on our side to do it the correct way instead.

[Sparko]

Is it actually illegal to cross the border and then contact the authorities to apply for asylum? AFAICT it's only illegal if you attempt to cross the border and stay in the country clandestinely.

Update: Apparently it is illegal. Strange.

They are not crossing the border to turn themselves in. They are trying not to get caught, but when they do, they ask for asylum. If they want to just ask for asylum they can do that without crossing the border.

[Roy]

They are not crossing the border to turn themselves in.

I think some are.

If they want to just ask for asylum they can do that without crossing the border.

Not easily if you're at the border already.

[Sparko]

I think some are.Not easily if you're at the border already.

These people don't just magically appear at the border and go "oh well, might as well cross and ask for asylum"

[carpedm9587]

It means that they would probably rather stay in the US detention center and wait in line there than end up back in Mexico waiting in tents and shacks. Our evil facilities are probably light-years nicer than the Mexican side.

Pure speculation, Sparko. You have no idea what they would prefer, and neither do I. As far as I know this has never been studied or quantified. And it remains on our dime and at our expense...

Yes.

No, it encourages those who DON'T want to be locked up on our side to do it the correct way instead.

Which we could achieve without the extreme expense by simply busing them to the nearest entry point and putting them in line. Eventually - they would get the message and either go directly there - apply online - or go to a consulate. Leaving us to deal with only those who are truly trying to sneak in. Those will always exist.

[Sparko]

Pure speculation, Sparko. You have no idea what they would prefer, and neither do I. As far as I know this has never been studied or quantified. And it remains on our dime and at our expense...



Which we could achieve without the extreme expense by simply busing them to the nearest entry point and putting them in line. Eventually - they would get the message and either go directly there - apply online - or go to a consulate. Leaving us to deal with only those who are truly trying to sneak in. Those will always exist.

Or we could keep arresting them if they sneak across and eventually they would get the message and go directly to the entry point and get in line.

If we simply pick them up and buss them to the entry point then they have no reason to go to the entry point. It is like "hey amigo, let's just cross here and the gringos will give us a free ride to the port"

[carpedm9587]

Or we could keep arresting them if they sneak across and eventually they would get the message and go directly to the entry point and get in line.

On our dime and at our expense...

If we simply pick them up and buss them to the entry point then they have no reason to go to the entry point. It is like "hey amigo, let's just cross here and the gringos will give us a free ride to the port"

True. First, I suspect that multiple bus rides will be a LOT less expensive than months of lodging, food, and clothing. But I do not know the numbers, so I cannot say that for certain. However, the "free ride" problem can be handled simply with facial recognition: bus first and maybe second time, simply turn them back over the border thereafter. Clearly it would need to be tweaked.

[Sparko]

On our dime and at our expense...



True. First, I suspect that multiple bus rides will be a LOT less expensive than months of lodging, food, and clothing. But I do not know the numbers, so I cannot say that for certain. However, the "free ride" problem can be handled simply with facial recognition: bus first and maybe second time, simply turn them back over the border thereafter. Clearly it would need to be tweaked.

Turning them around at the border is basically saying, "wait here till we are gone then sneak over."