Of course you don't, because it completely blows your argument out of the icing. So bury your head in the cake batter and keep muttering "it's JUST A CAKE, it's JUST A CAKE".... pretty soon, maybe even you'll believe that nonsense.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View Post...it really betrayed that it had nothing to do with protecting gays, and was all about bullying Christians.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAll skilled professionals (whether artists or bakers) who offer their services to the general public in a shop which is open to the public (i.e. a public accommodation) come under the purview of the Civil Rights Act and are not by law entitled to discriminate against those of whom they disapprove.
Here's a link to get you started: https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php...age=transcript
see Title II (b)1,2,3 for what a public accommodation is and show me where an artist or custom baker would fall under it.
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If it weren't an art then people would be buying ready made wedding cakes at their local grocery store and there would be no custom bakers for wedding cakes. People seek out specific wedding cake artists to make their cakes for them.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf it weren't an art then people would be buying ready made wedding cakes at their local grocery store and there would be no custom bakers for wedding cakes. People seek out specific wedding cake artists to make their cakes for them.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Cake is gross, anyway, and wedding cake in particular. People make fun of Justice Thomas' line about it being borderline inedible, but I agree 100%.
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Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostBut then you're pretty much denying what you say. There's an artistic commission for a cake decoration, which is a work of art and so comes under the protection of freedom of speech. Cake decoration is art. Your attempts at arguing that cake decoration isn't art, aren't convincing.
A Christian tested this by asking a lesbian baker to bake a cake dedicated with "Leviticus 18:22", and she refused. She offered to sell the cake to him, and the tools for decoration so he could write the message himself. If this passes, which it did, I see no reason why a Christian baker couldn't bake a perfectly well formed wedding cake, and let any further decoration or customisation be up to the client.
If this doesn't happen then conservatives are really right when they say that gay people want rights no one else has. And it really makes this look like the LGBTQ seeking a beat stick they can hit people over the head with. That's not going to work out in the long run for them.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut, it's JUST A CAKE!!!!! And the Bridal Gown --- It's JUST A DRESS!!!!! And the wedding --- It's JUST A CEREMONY!!!! And Tassman --- He's JUST A [fill in the blank]
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Originally posted by JimL View PostA wedding cake is just a wedding cake, CP, and a Bridal gown is just a bridal gown, and a wedding ceremony is just a wedding ceremony, and CP ---- is just a [fill in the blank]The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe whole art thing is a canard, Leonard. Being a chef, or even a short order cook, could be considered to be an art form, but you can't refuse to serve that creation to gays.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe whole art thing is a canard, Leonard. Being a chef, or even a short order cook, could be considered to be an art form, but you can't refuse to serve that creation to gays.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThe whole art thing is a canard, Leonard. Being a chef, or even a short order cook, could be considered to be an art form, but you can't refuse to serve that creation to gays.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThe owner at no point refused to sell them a cake, because they were gays. It was a cake, decorated in a particular way, for a particular purpose. That falls under free speech, which Civic Rights can't hinder. And I hope the laws will reflect that eventually.
from the OP:
"Creative professionals who serve all people should be free to create art consistent with their convictions without the threat of government punishment.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostTassman is wrong in claiming that it was not art and that artists have to create art for any customer. The supreme court disagreed with him:
from the OP:
"Creative professionals who serve all people should be free to create art consistent with their convictions without the threat of government punishment.
"Fire is catching. If we burn, you burn with us!"
"I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to stay here and cause all kinds of trouble."
Katniss Everdeen
Christ our Passover has been sacrificed for us. Therefore let us keep the feast.
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