NFL�s Proposed National Anthem Rules

[One Bad Pig]

When have I ever made a comment like either of those...?

here and here

You may now commence protesting that they're not at all similar.

[Sparko]

I had no idea these existed. What a marvelous idea. But I'm a bit too lazy to spend the time on what is essentially a trivial issue (despite the time spent here).

But then you could put money into circulation that I might end up with and then you would find out whether I would actually spend money that said "in no god we trust"

Although I think the bill stamp above cancels itself out. It has the "no" symbol over the word God, and "is fake" below it. Wouldn't that mean "In no God is fake we trust?" Kinda sounds more like polytheism than atheism. If no god is fake then they all must be real.

[Sparko]

Actually I didn't, so thanks for that information. Apparently it was put on a 2-cent piece in 1864 and was in circulation until 1873 (9 years). Then it was not used again until 1956, when it returned - as I noted - in response to McCarthyism and "godless communists."

[Cow Poke]

To his credit, he finally kinda sorta conceded the point, after much resistance....

Um.... no.

Source: treasury.gov

The use of IN GOD WE TRUST has not been uninterrupted. The motto disappeared from the five-cent coin in 1883, and did not reappear until production of the Jefferson nickel began in 1938. Since 1938, all United States coins bear the inscription. Later, the motto was found missing from the new design of the double-eagle gold coin and the eagle gold coin shortly after they appeared in 1907. In response to a general demand, Congress ordered it restored, and the Act of May 18, 1908, made it mandatory on all coins upon which it had previously appeared. IN GOD WE TRUST was not mandatory on the one-cent coin and five-cent coin. It could be placed on them by the Secretary or the Mint Director with the Secretary's approval.

The motto has been in continuous use on the one-cent coin since 1909, and on the ten-cent coin since 1916. It also has appeared on all gold coins and silver dollar coins, half-dollar coins, and quarter-dollar coins struck since July 1, 1908.

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Wow... thanks for the intel. My information was badly incorrect.

So the slogan has a longer history than I thought (and readers should discount my earlier comments - I was misinformed.

Then continuing to argue the point, which is his right...

I do stand behind the belief that it is divisive, and should be eliminated. Currency that is silent about gods offends no one. Currency that makes claims about gods (existing or not existing) alienates some part of our citizenry.

The pretending that money was like business cards was, IMOHBAO, kinda funny.

[Sparko]

To his credit, he finally kinda sorta conceded the point, after much resistance....





Then continuing to argue the point, which is his right...



The pretending that money was like business cards was, IMOHBAO, kinda funny.

Yeah I laughed at that one.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah I laughed at that one.

Business card: Something I hand out for a person to keep so they can contact me, it's all about me, my company, and other than that, has zero value to the recipient.
Paper Currency: Something I hand out to somebody else in exchange for something of value, and all the recipient cares about is what denomination it is, and "is it real?"

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[rogue06]

Actually I didn't, so thanks for that information. Apparently it was put on a 2-cent piece in 1864 and was in circulation until 1873 (9 years). Then it was not used again until 1956, when it returned - as I noted - in response to McCarthyism and "godless communists."

Aside from your Liberty Half Dollar from 1922 here are a few more


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1874 Silver Dollar -- the year after carpe claims they stopped putting it on money



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1934 "Peace" Liberty Silver Dollar



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1882 Morgan Silver Dollar



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1943 Jefferson Nickle



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1920 Double Eagle $20 Gold Coin



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1919 Standing Liberty Quarter



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Another from 1929


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1943 Walking Liberty Half Dollar

[Cow Poke]

But he did something Tassman would never do, even if he were waterboarded....

Wow... thanks for the intel. My information was badly incorrect.

[rogue06]

But he did something Tassman would never do, even if he were waterboarded....

Only because you won't let me use a pair of pliers to help persuade him

[carpedm9587]

here and here

You may now commence protesting that they're not at all similar.

Yep...good links. I have said that.

As for the similarity...I have a feeling that would be a pointless discussion...so...

[Cow Poke]

Only because you won't let me use a pair of pliers to help persuade him

It's about time you stop calling that electric drill "my pliers".

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[lilpixieofterror]

Other "nonexistent things" do not require me to hand out business cards that they exist...

[carpedm9587]

So you never:

- signed Christmas gifts from Santa?

I absolutely did. But since Santa was me... no problem

- left out cookies and milk for Santa?

I always found this one a little hokey - and I don't eat cookies. I tried to get my wife to have the kids leave out a beer and pretzel, but she thought "nothing" was better than that. She did go out on the back porch (once) and make "reindeer" prints in the fresh snow on Christmas Eve. Thankfully, my boys were not THAT gullible.

Actually - yes. But I also took pictures with Mickey, Buzz Lightyear, the two Chipmunks, and the Hunchback of Notre Dame. I wasn't thereby claiming to trust or believe in any of them, beyond a Disney cartoon.

- watched movies about Santa?

Of course I have. But I've also watched "Star Wars" and "The Little Engine that Could" without making a claim about trust or existence. What does entertainment and fantasy have to do with a religious slogan?

Human fantasy and claiming to believe and trust in a creator being are not the same thing. I am technically Catholic (by baptism) and I am "qualified" (according to the Catholic Church) to receive the sacraments. I occasionally go to church - because my wife asks me to and it is time together. I would never disrespect that church (or myself, or my wife) by going to receive communion on those occasions. I would be knowingly partaking of a sacrament she takes seriously when I believe it's a tiny wafer of wheat and nothing more. I don't mouth the prayers. Occasionally, I am asked about it and my response is always "these are not my beliefs, I'm atheist."

Choosing not to use U.S. currency is a personal decision I made years ago. It came up here because I mentioned it in the context of a discussion about the many ways in which government has continually incorporated religious concepts into its practices, despite the explicit will of the founders (our money, our pledge, formal prayers at official government events, etc.). Over time, as our nation becomes increasingly secular, these will likely (hopefully?) be removed. I doubt it will be in my lifetime. Meanwhile, those of us who believe religion should be kept separate from government will probably continue to encourage that to happen. I personally have better things to do than fight a lawsuit over the slogan on our currency - especially given the unlikeliness of it succeeding in the current climate. Perhaps someone else will do that down the road, when there is a better chance of success.

[carpedm9587]

So we have the latest on the NFL kurfufle. I have not chased all of this down, but apparently the Eagles were going to send 81 players to the White House, and most decided they did not want to go. Trump then withdrew the invitation (his right to do) and claimed it was about the kneeling national anthem thing. As best I can tell, the Eagles were one team that never actually did this. Fox apparently went so far as claim that pictures of the team players kneeling and praying before a game were anthem protests (they have apparently since apologized for it). Philadelphia is now a bit upset.

I have to wonder about Trump. He won Pennsylvania by 1.2% (less than 70K votes out of over 6 million votes cast). He really can't afford to do stuff like this and hope to take 2020.

[One Bad Pig]

So we have the latest on the NFL kurfufle. I have not chased all of this down, but apparently the Eagles were going to send 81 players to the White House, and most decided they did not want to go. Trump then withdrew the invitation (his right to do) and claimed it was about the kneeling national anthem thing. As best I can tell, the Eagles were one team that never actually did this. Fox apparently went so far as claim that pictures of the team players kneeling and praying before a game were anthem protests (they have apparently since apologized for it). Philadelphia is now a bit upset.

I have to wonder about Trump. He won Pennsylvania by 1.2% (less than 70K votes out of over 6 million votes cast). He really can't afford to do stuff like this and hope to take 2020.

They didn't kneel (except for one guy in preseason who didn't make the team), but some players did use power salutes as a form of protest. It's still a definite break with tradition, but it's less obviously disrespectful.