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I think your resonse misses the point that whether you are an atheist, agnostic or theist you should be allowed to take your world view seriously and not be forced to support or share statements you don't agree with. I know many religious people and I have great respect for their worldview but I don't say prayers when everyone else does, I don't sing Christian songs along with them. It would be wrong both to myself and to them. So, perhaps what you strugle to understand is the fact that people with all sorts of religious views or lack thereof have a right to protect their integrity. This should actually not be a case in which Christians need to disagree with atheists, just like - I hope - we don't disagree about freedom of religion.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI think your resonse misses the point that whether you are an atheist, agnostic or theist you should be allowed to take your world view seriously and not be forced to support or share statements you don't agree with. I know many religious people and I have great respect for their worldview but I don't say prayers when everyone else does, I don't sing Christian songs along with them. It would be wrong both to myself and to them. So, perhaps what you strugle to understand is the fact that people with all sorts of religious views or lack thereof have a right to protect their integrity. This should actually not be a case in which Christians need to disagree with atheists, just like - I hope - we don't disagree about freedom of religion.Last edited by lilpixieofterror; 05-30-2018, 07:17 AM."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Well... It still seems you cannot allow non-religious people the intergrety you want to allow for yourself. Some atheists may find the statement meaningles. Does that mean it is no problem? Are you never troubled by meaningles statements? However meaningles they may find it, they are of course aware that others have different interpretations and use the statement to support ideas an atheist would not agree with. But you seem to have a very narrowminded attitude towards the idea that atheists have values and morals like you have. And an atheist need not even view the statement as meaningles. They can say the statement is perfectly meaningful but just outright wrong. And again it is very easy to just write their feelings of because you don't share them.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd you still avoided the question...
It's a simple question Sparko - capable of being answered with a simple choice...
If the U.S. currency had the inscription, "we do not trust in god," would you want to pass the currency, or would you be inclined to use electronic currency?
Which?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postanswer
Why would somebody bother to put a saying on a banknote that somebody they do not believe exists does not exist.
"The Easter Bunny does not exist" or "The Easter Bunny (or spaghetti monster) cannot be trusted"....
That sneaky bunny! I KNEW it! I bet he works for rogue06.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostWell... It still seems you cannot allow non-religious people the intergrety you want to allow for yourself.Some atheists may find the statement meaningles. Does that mean it is no problem?
Are you never troubled by meaningles statements?
However meaningles they may find it, they are of course aware that others have different interpretations and use the statement to support ideas an atheist would not agree with.But you seem to have a very narrowminded attitude towards the idea that atheists have values and morals like you have.And an atheist need not even view the statement as meaningles. They can say the statement is perfectly meaningful but just outright wrong. And again it is very easy to just write their feelings of because you don't share them."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Charles View PostI think your resonse misses the point that whether you are an atheist, agnostic or theist you should be allowed to take your world view seriously and not be forced to support or share statements you don't agree with. I know many religious people and I have great respect for their worldview but I don't say prayers when everyone else does, I don't sing Christian songs along with them. It would be wrong both to myself and to them. So, perhaps what you strugle to understand is the fact that people with all sorts of religious views or lack thereof have a right to protect their integrity. This should actually not be a case in which Christians need to disagree with atheists, just like - I hope - we don't disagree about freedom of religion.
Trust me, I'm an honest pirate.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI completely agree. That is why I am offering Sparko's Money Laundering Service. Send me all of your dirty filthy religious money and I will clean it for you and return 50% of it as digital currency of your choice. Nobody should have to undergo the indignity of spending money that supports a deity they do not believe in!
Trust me, I'm an honest pirate.
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"New atheists" in the US are nothing but a bunch of precious snowflakes who need a safe space to protect from all that rampant religious indoctrination on their currency.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View Posttell that to every church service ever.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou are the first one to offer an honest question...except I do not know of a single instance where a non-Christian currency has made an explicit claim about the non-existence or non-trustworthyness of god.
But I do know of several countries where the currency makes claims about the existence and/or trustworthyness of god.
Out of habit, theists have come to see this as "normal,"
and an atheist who says, "wait a sec...that excludes me" is a rabble rouser. Yet all that is being said is "can our currency simply be silent about gods, so we can all use it without conflict?"
Terrible, that....Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis seems sort of ...snowflake-ish. It's like you feel the need to be protected from the very idea of God.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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