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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAs with many such claims, this skews the statistics. The atheist regimes that committed these atrocities largely committed them in the 20th century, AFAICT. In that century, the tools of war had been enhanced with technology, and the population growth was beginning to skyrocket. So the opportunity for greater atrocity was real. If you look at the numbers not as "raw numbers," but as a percentage of the population, there is no significant difference between the two groups.
People kill - and wage war - and commit atrocities, whatever their beliefs may be. God has been the reason for many of these - but godless wars have also been common....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostCambodiaThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI'm not sure I understand your response.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm certain that I don't.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI think he may be referencing the atrocities of the Khmer Rouge, a communistic regime that is believed to have been the cause of between 1.4 and 2.2 million deaths (some estimates go as high as 3 million and some as low as 740 thousand). Over 20,000 mass graves have been found in Cambodia. However, this is a 20th century phenomenon, which kind of supports the point I was trying to make.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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The atheist genocide in Cambodia didn't rely on modern technology for its killing. It's a counter-example to the idea that atheist atrocities only look so bad because by pure chance they happened in a time when military technology allowed greater killing rates....>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI believe the point he is disputing is your assertion re: percentage of population.
The estimates are that 200K people died in the crusades (which spanned a significantly longer time). World population in 1290 was estimated to be 360-450 million (that's the end of the Crusades). That means the crusades killed between 0.044 and 0.056% percent of the world population. If you take the average world population over the 200 year period, the percentage is even higher.
You find similar numbers when you take other conflicts, religious or otherwise. Bottom line - people kill for a variety of reasons. When there are more people, and more powerful weapons, more people get killed. Trying to point to one group (theists vs. atheists) and suggest they are more or less prone to violence is not viable, IMO. There are simply too many variables. Indeed, defining which wars are and are not religious is itself problematic.Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-25-2018, 07:56 PM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo between 1.4 and 2.6 two million people...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by MaxVel View PostThe atheist genocide in Cambodia didn't rely on modern technology for its killing. It's a counter-example to the idea that atheist atrocities only look so bad because by pure chance they happened in a time when military technology allowed greater killing rates.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIs this that newfangled new math?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo the Khmer Rouge killed between 1.4 and 2.6 million people in a population that was estimated to be 3.7 Billion the late 1960s. That's an atrocity that killed between 0.038% and 0.054% of the population of the planet.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSo they're not morals, they're instincts, and nothing more than an accident of evolution.
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