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Originally posted by Starlight View PostCMD, you're comparing an injury to one (deserving of critique) person, with promoting the habit of tarring whole (potentially deserving of critique) groups as sub-human.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Let's face it, if MS-13 was composed of white conservative Southerners instead of illegal Central Americans, liberals like starlight would be screaming for the Marines to be sent in to wipe them out and would definitely be describing them in far worse terms than "animal."
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostThe fact you mindlessly defend them says your hate for Trump over-rides all sense.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSo let's get this straight...
You're on record as saying that murdering a person "deserving of critique" would likely make you "mildly happy"
And then we move from something happening to one very specific named bad person, to talking about how whole minority groups are treated and talked about:
but go apoplectic if someone calls a group with the motto
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending the best. They're sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems. They're bringing drugs, they're bringing crime. They're rapists and some, I assume, are good people"
It is these "bad hombres" among the bunch as he's also called them that he appears to have been thinking of when he called them "animals". It's the (large) subset of illegal immigrants whom he thinks are terrible people.
Now you can live in Republican fingers-in-ears lala land on the issue if you want and insist that you think that Trump only meant MS-13. Whatever. You're entitled to your own banana cake views. However, you're specifically in this post talking about what I think, and I've made it absolutely and consistently clear I think he wasn't only referring to MS-13, so don't be disingenuous and pretend that I think it was a reference to MS-13.
and who quite literally celebrate extreme brutality (and who you think are only "potentially deserving of critique")
The 'potentially deserving of critique' referred to the many and various groups that people use dehumanizing language against. Jews, Muslims, Blacks, Gays, Arabs, terrorists, enemy combatants, MS-13, etc. Some are deserving of critique - e.g. MS-13, terrorists. And others not.
"animals."
So I think it is important in general, and particularly important at this point in time in the US that groups of people not be labelled as subhuman or demeaned as 'animals'. Yes, that does even apply to the worst dregs of humanity like Dick Cheney, MS-13, or Trump. They might be terrible people who have histories of criminality and doing horrific things, but they are people nonetheless, and it is important to remember that, especially when enacting policies that would have serious effects on them and especially when thinking about policies that would abrogate their basic human rights. Overall, the US has serious problems and those problems are centered around a common lack of love for fellow man and a willingness to seriously mistreat and dehumanize others, and that is a well that I see the US right-wing drinking from constantly. America's big problem is not that the Richard Spencers of this world are getting punched in the face. If and when a million Richard Spencers are getting their faces punched daily or murdered on the streets weekly, then we can have this conversation again, and I will likely grant you that yes that has become 'America's big problem', but until then it is hilarious and sad to see you guys desperate to defend neo-nazis and white supremacists from any sort of push back even when it's minor, yet giving the thumbs up to the mass duhumanisation of your fellow man and have no problems with calling groups of people animals and with wars and torture and mass breaches of human rights etc."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post
Get over your idiocy already. I have made it abundantly clear repeatedly in this thread, that I do not buy the claim that Trump was talking directly about MS-13, and have repeatedly stated my view that I think it is clear that he was talking generally about a subset of illegal immigrantsLast edited by rogue06; 05-22-2018, 05:53 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd which sub-set would that be?
The one expressly listed by Sheriff Mims
and to which Trump directly responded to?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAs I keep saying, the left is rapidly becoming the home for supporting ultra-violent street gangs. They're going from turning a blind eye to all the violence associated with groups like Occupy, BLM and Antifa to voicing full-throated support for a rape-murder gang"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostNo, he didn't.
He responded to the specific statement about MS-13 by ignoring the specifics of the comment,
and taking it as an opportunity to give a vague Trumpian waffle...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
Likewise, Will Wilkinson, a contributing opinion writer for the New York Times and a regular columnist for Vox, is proclaiming that "every member" of MS-13 has "dignity that demands respect."
And there's Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer comparing MS-13 to our ancestors who came to America declaring that our "great-great-grandparents" weren't animals when they immigrated here and members of MS-13 "aren't either."
And Sen. Dianne Feinstein who also apparently not only believes that MS-13 gang members are not "animals" but are instead "are our family and friends and they make significant contributions to our country."
They are desperately attempting to conflate MS-13 gang members with all immigrants
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Even the rabidly anti-Trump CNN is now admitting what was obvious
The very fact that most critics edited out Sheriff Mim's remarks made just before Trump spoke (and to which he was responding) at the very least indicates that many of those who tried to paint this as Trump calling all illegal immigrants "animals" suspected that their portrayal of what happened was erroneous or else they wouldn't have snipped it out.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostEven the rabidly anti-Trump CNN is now admitting what was obvious
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The very fact that most critics edited out Sheriff Mim's remarks made just before Trump spoke (and to which he was responding) at the very least indicates that many of those who tried to paint this as Trump calling all illegal immigrants "animals" suspected that their portrayal of what happened was erroneous or else they wouldn't have snipped it out.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt is such a vivid example of how much the left hates Trump - they would happily and vigorously defend MS13 if it meant an opportunity to score points against Trump.
They would much rather have a madman with his finger on a nuclear trigger than have Trump get credit for doing anything good.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostThe idea that virtually all such immigrants commit violent crimes?
http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2018/...-came-legally/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...ans-study.html
https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...tizens_do.htmlSome may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt is such a vivid example of how much the left hates Trump - they would happily and vigorously defend MS13 if it meant an opportunity to score points against Trump.
"however repugnant their actions, MS-13 gang members are human beings" - John Harwood (CNBC)
What robust defenses of MS-13! Such praise! Extolling their virtues, no end!
Seriously, can you either explain how any of that is actually a 'defense' of MS-13, or how it is 'a happy and vigorous one', or actually find me some quotes actually defending MS-13 by these liberals you think are out there somewhere defending MS-13?
Otherwise I'll write this off as yet another utter delusion on your part."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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