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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe don't actually know that, because there is absolutely no way to know what crimes they have committed for which they have not been charged and/or convicted. So, the rest of your rant is just that."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostImmigrant crimes rates are a hugely studied phenomena around the world, because a lot of people have concerns about it. And while, yes, there are a number of factors that make it difficult to study, a lot of effort has been put in by a lot of smart people worldwide to study it as best it possibly can be studied. And the answer, pretty much no matter the country, is that immigrants commit crimes at a much lower rate than natives, but that the native-born children of immigrants are on par with natives.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostLet's see... "hugely studied", "a lot of effort", "smart people"..... No. You're just flat out wrong on this - I don't care how many "studies" there are, you're not going to get illegal aliens to come forward and admit that they committed crimes for which they have not been arrested. That's just dumb. Wacky. Starlightish!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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On top of that, the Uniform Crime Report system run by the FBI is seriously flawed. It's entirely run by "classifications" of crimes, and a local police chief or sheriff can have his people "classify" crimes into whatever category fits their narrative. If they want to show that "violent crimes are down" during their administration, they can have their UCR person classify violent crimes as less severe offenses. It happens all the time. Our own city council was wanting us to take all instances of "aggravated offense" reports, and remove the "aggravated", so it appeared "more safe" in our community.
But if they're applying for federal grants to combat serious crime, or want to qualify for some of the "miitarized" equipment, they need to show violent crimes are up!
Part of this is spurred on by all the realtor websites which include, as part of their sales pitch, the criminal incidents pinpointed on the maps of the neighborhood you're looking at.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostGiven immigrants, both legal an illegal, seem to commit less crime than the average American, if you're worried about your own crime rates you should import more immigrants to dilute the crimes of your present population among more people and thus lower the crime rate and victimization rate.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is just stupid. If you didn't have illegals you would not have the percentage of crime they bring."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI take it math is not your strong suit. If you have a populace committing lots of crimes per person, and you import people who don't commit many crimes per person, then you have lowered the average number of crimes per person committed.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAgain, there is no proof that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes.
This meta-study surveys 51 different studies done internationally and cross-compares their different methodologies and findings. It concludes that, on average throughout the world, immigrants tend to lower the rate of crime slightly. However, you'll be pleased to see that they note that it's difficult to separated undocumented immigrants from documented immigrants in terms of data categories and it's much easier to just measure how much crime is being committed by immigrants in general."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWhat you mean is that after thinking about it for about a minute....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post...they note that it's difficult to separated undocumented immigrants from documented immigrants in terms of data categories and it's much easier to just measure how much crime is being committed by immigrants in general.
Since NOBODY here has expressed opposition to LEGAL immigration, your whole "methodology" nonsense is useless.
But do try again!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post"Undocumented" immigrants is PC-speak for "illegal alien". 100% of illegal aliens have committed at least one crime by definition.
Since NOBODY here has expressed opposition to LEGAL immigration, your whole "methodology" nonsense is useless.
But do try again!"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think you have to be consciously aware of doing something wrong for me to be comfortable saying somebody is "committing a crime". I'm not going to ding somebody who was brought here at age two.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI was trying to be sarcastic and ironic.
And thank you for commenting on my lack of not being on his level.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSince NOBODY here has expressed opposition to LEGAL immigration"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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