Jerusalem Embassy

[Starlight]

You are aware that one of Hamas' central planks remains the complete destruction of Israel, yes?

No, it was my understanding they removed that more than a decade ago.

When those let out are liable to blow themselves up on busses and in cafes, it's reasonable to keep them behind the walls.

There haven't been any deaths caused by Arab suicide bombings in Israel in the last decade. It doesn't seem to be a big problem.

They got there because Israel, for some strange reason, didn't want to re-admit people dedicated to obliterating them, and the Arab countries with all their petrodollars refused to take them in. Well, Jordan was home to some for a while - then Arafat's PLO decided to attempt a takeover which got them bloodily kicked out.

It is sad that the Arab states haven't taken more Palestinian refugees. It is sad that Israel has forced - and continues to regularly force in continued defiance of UN resolutions against further settlements - these people out of their homes and out of their homeland and make refugees of them.

[Raphael]

And Starlight proves once again that he's a very special kind of stupid.

There is not a single part of Israel that is not in reach of Hamas' rockets. Hamas actively trains their people to hate Israelis and encourages them to kill as many as possible.
Hamas' has repeatedly used foreign humanitarian aid to build assault tunnels and weapons in order to attack Israel. They care nothing of their people and only want Israel obliterated.

And that's not even getting started on all the Pallywood crap that Hamas does in order to stage photos and videos to make it look like Israel commits unprovoked attacks.

[Raphael]

There haven't been any deaths caused by Arab suicide bombings in Israel in the last decade. It doesn't seem to be a big problem.

Only because of the steps they have taken to defend themselves that certain morons continually attack and condemn.

[mossrose]

There haven't been any deaths caused by Arab suicide bombings in Israel in the last decade. It doesn't seem to be a big problem.

Well, there are all kinds of ways of killing a person. This site lists all the deaths in Israel since 2000 by Palestinian violence. I scrolled down to 2008 since you specified the last decade. Didn't read it all. There are a lot of deaths there. But, in your mind, they won't count. Oh, I did highlight a few of your non-existent bombings.

Feb 4, 2008 - Lyubov Razdolskaya, 73, of Dimona was killed and 38 wounded - Razdolskaya's husband critically - in a terror attack carried out by a suicide bomber at a shopping center in Dimona. A police officer shot and killed a second terrorist before he detonated his explosive belt. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack and praised it as an "heroic act".

Feb 27, 2008 - Roni Yihye, 47, of Moshav Bitcha in southern Israel, a student at Sapir College, was killed Wednesday afternoon when a Kassam rocket exploded in a parking lot near the Sderot campus. He died shortly after sustaining massive wounds to his chest. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Mar 1, 2008 - St. Sgt. Doron Asulin, 20, of Beersheba and St. Sgt. Eran Dan-Gur, 20, of Jerusalem were killed in an exchange of fire with Hamas terrorists during an IDF anti-terror operation in northern Gaza targeting rocket launchings. The gunmen reportedly fired mortar shells, antitank and RPG missiles at the soldiers.

Mar 6, 2008 - An IDF soldier - a Bedouin tracker, 27 - was killed during a routine patrol along the security fence in the central Gaza Strip, near Kissufim, when Palestinian terrorists detonated an explosive device near the jeep in which he was driving. Hamas and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
St.-Sgt. Liran Banai, 20, of Ashkelon, the critically wounded jeep driver, succumbed to his injuries on Sunday, March 9.

Mar 6, 2008 - Eight students of the Mercaz Harav Yeshiva in Jerusalem were killed when a terrorist armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle infiltrated the yeshiva and opened fire in the library where about 80 people were gathered, mostly teenagers. Eleven others were wounded, three critically. The terrorist, a resident of East Jerusalem, was killed by an IDF officer.
The victims: Segev Peniel Avihail, 15, of Neve Daniel; Neria Cohen, 15, of Jerusalem; Yonatan Yitzhak Eldar, 16, of Shilo; Yehonadav Haim Hirschfeld, 18, of Kokhav Hashahar; Yohai Lifshitz, 17, of Jerusalem; Doron Meherete, 26, of Ashdod; Avraham David Moses, 16, of Efrat; and Ro'i Roth, 18, of Elkana.

Apr 9, 2008 - St.-Sgt. Sayef Bisan, 21, of the Druze village of Jat in the western Galilee was killed in an exchange of fire with Palestinian terrorists in an overnight IDF operation against terror infrastructure in the southern Gaza Strip. Two soldiers were wounded.

Apr 9, 2008 - Oleg Lipson, 37, and Lev Cherniak, 53, both of Beersheba, were killed when Palestinian terrorists, after firing a salvo of mortars at the Nahal Oz area, penetrated the fuel terminal and opened fire on the civilian employees.

Apr 16, 2008 - Three IDF soldiers - Sgt. Menhash al-Banyat, 20, of the Bedouin community of Kseife in the Negev; Sgt. Matan Ovdati, 19, of Moshav Patish in the western Negev; and Sgt. David Papian, 21, of Tel Aviv - were killed in a confrontation with armed Palestinian gunmen approaching the Gaza security fence south of the Nahal Oz fuel terminal. Three other soldiers were wounded.

Apr 25, 2008 - Two Israeli security guards, Shimon Mizrahi, 53 of Bat Hefer and Eli Wasserman, 51, of Alfei Menashe were killed in a shooting attack in the Nitzanei Shalom industrial park in central Israel. A terrorist managed to infiltrate into the area, opened fire at the guards at close range and fled. The Al-Quds Brigades of the Islamic JIhad organization and Izzadin al-Qassam of Hamas claimed joint responsibility for the attack.

May 9, 2008 - Jimmy Kadoshim, 48, of Kibbutz Kfar Aza, was killed by mortar fire from the Gaza Strip while tending his garden.

May 12, 2008 - Shuli Katz, 70, of Kibbutz Gevaram, was killed while visiting relatives at Moshav Yesha, some 15 kms (9 miles) from the Gaza Strip.

June 5, 2008 - Amnon Rosenberg, 51, of Kibbutz Nirim was killed and four other employees were wounded when a mortar bomb fired by Palestinian terrorists from the Gaza Strip exploded outside the Nirlat paint factory in Kibbutz Nir-Oz. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

July 2, 2008 - Elizabeth (Lili) Goren-Friedman, 54; Batsheva Unterman, 33; and Jean Relevy, 68 - all of Jerusalem - were killed and over 50 wounded in a terror attack in Jerusalem. Driving a bulldozer on Jaffa Road between the Central Bus Station and the Mahane Yehuda market, the terrorist plowed into cars and pedestrians as well as two public buses (Egged buslines 13 and 60) carrying some 50 passengers. Police shot and killed the terrorist.

July 11, 2008 - Border patrolman Lance Corporal David Chriqui, 19, of Rishon Lezion, critically wounded in a terrorist attack in the Old City of Jerusalem. He succumbed to his wounds on July 23.

Oct 23, 2008 - Avraham Ozeri, 86, was stabbed to death near his home in Gilo, Jerusalem, by an Arab terrorist from the Arab village of Tekoa near Bethlehem.

Dec 27, 2008 - Beber Vaknin, 58, of Netivot was killed when a rocket fired from Gaza hit an apartment building in Netivot.

Dec 29, 2008 - Hani al-Mahdi, 27, of Aroar, a Beduin settlement in the Negev was killed when a Grad-type missile fired from Gaza exploded at a construction site in Ashkelon; 16 other workers were wounded. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Dec 29, 2008 - Irit Sheetrit, 39, of Ashdod was killed and several wounded when a Grad rocket exploded in the center of Ashdod. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Dec 29, 2008 - Warrant Officer Lutfi Nasraladin, 38, of the Druze town of Daliat el-Carmel was killed by a mortar attack on a military base near Nahal Oz.

Jan 27, 2009 - An IDF NCO tracker was killed and three other soldiers wounded when an explosive device was detonated at an IDF patrol on the Israeli side of the Gaza Strip security fence near the Kissufim Crossing. The name of the tracker, a Bedouin from Rahat, has been withheld at the request of his family. An Islamist group affiliated with Al-Qaeda calling itself the 'Jihad and Tawhid Brigades' claimed responsibility for the attack.

Mar 15, 2009 - Two police officers - Senior Warrant Officer Yehezkel Ramzarkar, 50, of Maale Ephraim, and Warrant Officer David Rabinowitz, 42, of Ariel - were killed in a shooting attack near Massua in the northern Jordan Valley.

Apr 2, 2009 - Shlomo Nativ, 13, was killed by an axe-wielding terrorist in his community of Bat Ayin in Gush Etzion.

May 9, 2009 - Gregory Rabinowitz, 56, of Ashdod was kidnapped and strangled to death by three West Bank Palestinians near Gan Yavne.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/foreignpol...sm%20sinc.aspx

[Starlight]

And Starlight proves once again that he's a very special kind of stupid.

I would say my views are pretty typical of our country's official position on the subject, which seems to be the standard position of pretty much all neutral parties on the issue. New Zealand recently put a resolution through the UN to try to help the Palestinians which had overwhelming majority support among the countries of the world. America is the only "we support Israel everywhere, everytime, no matter what they do" country, most of the rest of the world is more sane and rational in it's approach. And, as you know, here in NZ our population of both Jews and Muslims is sufficiently close to nil as to make no difference and our interest in the situation, such as it is, is neutral and humanitarian.

There is not a single part of Israel that is not in reach of Hamas' rockets.

Well something like greater than 99% of them get shot down last I looked by counter-rockets, so it's not really within reach if Hamas can't hit it.

They care nothing of their people

Statements like this demonstrate that you're not rational on this issue. Nobody cares "nothing" for their own people. If you think that about anyone, it's just an effective admission of absurdly extreme bias against them.

And that's not even getting started on all the Pallywood crap that Hamas does in order to stage photos and videos to make it look like Israel commits unprovoked attacks.

Is that why Israel shoots the journalists?

[seer]

There haven't been any deaths caused by Arab suicide bombings in Israel in the last decade. It doesn't seem to be a big problem.

Right idiot, because they built walls to keep the wolves out!

[firstfloor]

Yeah, let's not blame the Palestinians who were rioting.

And no, President Trump didn't fulfill any prophecy.

[Cow Poke]

No, it was my understanding they removed that more than a decade ago.

Yes, because they've had a complete change of heart and they no longer wish Jews any harm.

Oh, but WAIT!!!! May 2017 -

[Cow Poke]

Have you ever actually looked at a map of Israel, and the nations that border her? Is Israel's "hawkish government" trying to conquer any of those nations, or simply survive?

[firstfloor]

Have you ever actually looked at a map of Israel, and the nations that border her? Is Israel's "hawkish government" trying to conquer any of those nations, or simply survive?

If you look at casualty rates, you see a very one-sided fight; like Muhammad Ali against a twelve-year-old schoolboy. You must wonder what the boy is doing there and what grievance he has. Let them have their dignity, respect the culture and avoid giving unnecessary offence.

[Sparko]

It figures that the guy who supports infanticide would be on the side of terrorists against jewish civilians while pretending to be antiwar and anti-Nazi.

[seer]

If you look at casualty rates, you see a very one-sided fight; like Muhammad Ali against a twelve-year-old schoolboy. You must wonder what the boy is doing there and what grievance he has. Let them have their dignity, respect the culture and avoid giving unnecessary offence.

So the Jews should let the Muslims breach the fencing and come into Israel?

[mossrose]

It figures that the guy who supports infanticide would be on the side of terrorists against jewish civilians while pretending to be antiwar and anti-Nazi.

He obviously didn't read the link I provided.

[Cow Poke]

If you look at casualty rates, you see a very one-sided fight;

So, if the Arabs had any common sense, they would quit poking the bear.

like Muhammad Ali against a twelve-year-old schoolboy. You must wonder what the boy is doing there and what grievance he has. Let them have their dignity, respect the culture and avoid giving unnecessary offence.

Maybe "the boy" should mind his own business, or enter into actual sincere negotiation instead of keep yelling "I'm going to wipe you off the face of the Earth", and then being surprised when he gets his butt kicked.

[Cow Poke]

If you've ever been to Israel, the difference between the Israeli controlled areas and the "Palestinian" controlled areas is quite stark. It's like going from a well kept village into the ghetto. If they would focus more on providing for their people, and less on the destruction of the Jews, things would be a whole lot different.

OTOH, we saw that MANY Jews and Muslims / Arabs get along just fine in Old City Jerusalem, in particular, and have no desire whatsoever to be at war.