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  • #76
    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
    The US has significantly lower taxes than most other OECD countries.
    I really don't care. When all is said and done, around 30% of my annual income is spent on taxes in one form or another, and that's simply too much, especially when I don't feel I'm getting a good return on my "investment".

    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
    ...if by taking in taxes the government can efficiency provide free healthcare...
    See? This is how brainwashed you are: If you're paying for it with exorbitant taxes then it's not free, dumbass.
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    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


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    • #77
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      OK so it doesn't look like the social health care is adding too much to the tax rate, contrary to what I had thought. About 8% if we figure everything else is approximately equivalent and go by the average OECD.
      The government here spends 17% of its budget on healthcare (~$2,300 USD per person per year at today's exchange rate). Given total taxes amount to 32% of GDP according to the OECD, then healthcare expenditure is at 5.44% of GDP, so possibly a little lower than the 8% you suggest.

      There is also a little bit of private healthcare spending as well, as this chart indicates:

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      • #78
        In NZ, the portion of my salary that the taxman takes that then goes to Healthcare is less than the portion of my salary that had to go to my private Medical Aid when in South Africa.
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        • #79
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          The government here spends 17% of its budget on healthcare (~$2,300 USD per person per year at today's exchange rate). Given total taxes amount to 32% of GDP according to the OECD, then healthcare expenditure is at 5.44% of GDP, so possibly a little lower than the 8% you suggest.

          There is also a little bit of private healthcare spending as well, as this chart indicates:

          I also didn't count the portion of the healthcare that my company pays. I don't see it but it is a benefit. If I had to pay for my entire healthcare plan it would probably be twice as high (I think the company pays half of the monthly premium)

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            I also didn't count the portion of the healthcare that my company pays. I don't see it but it is a benefit. If I had to pay for my entire healthcare plan it would probably be twice as high (I think the company pays half of the monthly premium)
            When companies think about expanding their workforce they first figure out what it would cost and you can be sure they are including the various benefits from company cars to health insurance and not just what how much they'll spend in salaries.

            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • #81
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              When companies think about expanding their workforce they first figure out what it would cost and you can be sure they are including the various benefits from company cars to health insurance and not just what how much they'll spend in salaries.
              at this point I am ready to go to socialized healthcare. Right now a lot of us don't see the full cost of healthcare insurance because our companies pay some or most of it. It is an expected benefit for full time workers. But anyone who is unemployed or works part time is screwed. They might be able to get on some stat run low budget healthcare plan but those usually suck.

              IF the government could come up with a GOOD healthcare plan for everyone, paid by taxes, at this point I would support it. The only thing I worry about is the "good" part.


              PS: LPOT - as someone in the military, you ARE on socialized healthcare. The government is paying for your healthcare right this minute, so you really don't have much room to talk. And military healthcare is pretty durn good. I was raised on it when my dad was in the Army.
              Last edited by Sparko; 03-23-2018, 09:49 AM.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                And military healthcare is pretty durn good. I was raised on it when my dad was in the Army.
                Except at some our VA Hospitals

                I'm always still in trouble again

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                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Except at some our VA Hospitals
                  True that. That is not even the same system as the active military. It is for those who don't qualify for that after getting out - usually for people who did not retire but just left after their tour was up. We still had Tricare after my dad retired which was pretty good.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    True that. That is not even the same system as the active military. It is for those who don't qualify for that after getting out - usually for people who did not retire but just left after their tour was up. We still had Tricare after my dad retired which was pretty good.
                    I thought it was also for some of those who were severely wounded as well.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      I thought it was also for some of those who were severely wounded as well.
                      From what I understand, it is basically for anyone who was in the military who was not dishonorably discharged. Not everyone can get the full retirement healthcare like my dad did. Like my brother. He was in the Air Force, but just got out after so many years. So he didn't get to keep any benefits. But he can still use the VA if he wants, and they will also cover any military related illnesses. He was in Desert Storm and has some health issues from that, so he gets some disability through the VA and they do some treatment, even though he has regular health insurance through his work.

                      But yeah it does work with injured soldiers too, mostly because they are discharged from the Army when they are too injured to remain on active duty.

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