A Sane Discussion About Gun Violence

[Cow Poke]

Make that up yourself, Creacher?

I've heard that for ages.

[Adrift]

Normally in these liberal takeovers they will say "Oh you are overreacting! We don't want all _____ to be (legalized/banned) - that's just a slippery slope argument!" and then they do legalize or ban all ______ and say, why would any civilized person want ____ (or be opposed to _______?) You must be a Nazi!

[____ = Same Sex Marriage/Guns/Confederate symbols/Transgender Bathrooms/etc.

I guess I don't fit in anywhere...

[Charles]

I guess I don't fit in anywhere...

Very few people fit in in those boxes of made up stereotypes. They often only serve to simplify a reality that is far more complex.

[Darth Executor]

I guess I don't fit in anywhere...

no you fit very well in a mainstream political group, we're just not allowed to use the (derisive) name for it here because it's too effective

[Cow Poke]

Very few people fit in in those boxes of made up stereotypes. They often only serve to simplify a reality that is far more complex.

I'm still marveling at the jargon!

[Adrift]

no you fit very well in a mainstream political group, we're just not allowed to use the (derisive) name for it here because it's too effective

[Charles]

no you fit very well in a mainstream political group, we're just not allowed to use the (derisive) name for it here because it's too effective

What is it that you do not dare to say?

[Cow Poke]

What is it that you do not dare to say?

Isn't that like asking somebody to comment on Fight Club?

[Sparko]

Isn't that like asking somebody to comment on Fight Club?

Chuck thinks he is being clever.

[Cow Poke]

Chuck thinks he is being clever.

Which is why I responded accordingly.

[ke7ejx]

Chuck thinks he is being clever.

Thinks being the operative word.

[Cow Poke]

OK, back to the topic at hand.....

I keep seeing 'gun deaths per capita' and 'guns owned per capita' stats as compared with other countries.

There IS no other country like the USA! We are unique. And, something I'd like to propose, for which I anticipate being blasted (do so civilly )

No other country on the face of the planet has changed culturally as much as we have changed in the last 50 years. Think about that - all those other countries cited have been in existence long before we were. And our inception was rather violent, including guns, against the British. That's part of our heritage. We glorify "the Minute Men" (at least, we did when I was a kid) in history, because they played a vital part in our rebellion from the crown. They probably saw us as terrorists, shooting from behind rocks and trees and not "playing fair" in marching in straight lines and shooting in organized volleys...

In fact, the whole 2nd Amendment thing come from this clash with the Brits, the Quartering Act, mistrust of the government, etc.

Meanwhile, in the last 50 years, we've had this whole sexual revolution, the whole "get rid of Christianity", the purging of the Judeo-Christian ethic, the attempt to wipe out any evidence that we were ever a "Christian nation", getting rid of the concept of the sanctity of human life, the attack on the nuclear family, the denigration of "absolutes", and the "anything goes" culture.

And, I'd admit we brought a lot of problems on ourselves with the whole concept of slavery and its aftermath.

Most of us who have been around a while reminisce about the good old days when you could, indeed, leave your loaded firearm on the kitchen table, knowing nobody would misuse it, or we were trained in the safe use, we were schooled in the respect of our elders, the value of the (again) sanctity of human life....

We have changed drastically since Ozzie and Harriet and Leave it to Beaver and Happy Days.

What other nation (of the ones being used to compare our gun use / death / per capita stuff) has had a similar (even close) drastic change in their own culture over the past 50 years.

So, is it really fair to compare the US to other nations where there are so many other factors involved, so as to make "statistics" pretty much irrelevant?

[Charles]

Chuck thinks he is being clever.

I asked a question and so far I have not been given an answer. It seems all you can come up with is personal attacks. I wonder if you think that is clever?

[Cow Poke]

I asked a question and so far I have not been given an answer. It seems all you can come up with is personal attacks. I wonder if you think that is clever?

I thought you were being humorous, and I responded in kind. My apologies if I was in error.

[Charles]

I thought you were being humorous, and I responded in kind. My apologies if I was in error.

I took no offense in what you wrote. No problem, don't worry.