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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View PostHe has said he wants all guns taken away from everyone because there are a relatively few people who misuse them it is in essence what he is saying."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIn a crowded arena, why do I care how long it takes? Unless it's going to be long enough for bystanders to recover and disarm the guy, it really doesn't matter - and in that instance capacity really DOES matter. Even a crappy shot with a fully automatic weapon can hit more than a few people. I could hit someone at 60 yards or so with a BB gun (my nephew - wasn't hurt - think it scared me more than him) as a kid - I can darn sure hit people at point blank with an M-16.
That I couldn't operate it as effectively as a soldier or SWAT unit guy really doesn't make the people with bullets in them feel any better.
The disconnected idea that guns aren't force multipliers if you aren't an expert in their use is just DUMB.
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYes to the first, no to the second.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo you believe all guns should be removed from the population? No exceptions?
Originally posted by Adrift View PostHere's a video by Vox that compiles a number of the most popular statistics together, and points out that most of the other 1st world nations where guns are legal have much tougher laws concerning acquiring and keeping guns including that you need:
1.) A license
2.) A recording into an official registry
3.) To acquire a license you need to state a reason for ownership
4.) In most countries you must pass a safety test
5.) And are required by law to store the gun safely
Regardless of your thoughts on Vox itself, I think it makes a pretty compelling case, and as far as I can tell, balanced argument. It mentions things like Switzerland's gun ownership laws, and the issues that they themselves have seen with so many freely available guns.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUmm.. your certification has long since expired...
It's kind of like saying, "yeah - the last time I renewed my driver's license was, ummm... 12 years ago... "The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostIf you left it unsecured, yes. Rights come with responsibilities.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSheesh... now I have to give up thinking your stupid...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd I put that "your" there on purpose - grammar Nazi!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUmm.. your certification has long since expired...
It's kind of like saying, "yeah - the last time I renewed my driver's license was, ummm... 12 years ago... "
The CCNA is not "required" to operate in the field - in most industries, once you're in, you're in. It's often just a "foot in the door" kind of thing. Or, if you can demonstrate proficiency without the CCNA - like I did - it's not even a "foot in the door" thing.
On the other hand, if you drive a motor vehicle on public roads, you are, indeed, required to have a current license.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSheesh... now I have to give up thinking your stupid...
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostHe who is negligent - or shows depraved indifference - should pay for their disregard for the safety of others. Had that principle been in effect in Arkansas, the two boys who ambushed their classmates would never have succeeded - they got their guns from their grandfather who hadn't bothered to get a gun safe. They could not access their own guns or their father's which were in his gun safe.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostI'm not sure what point you think I was making. All I was saying is that reducing the size of magazines won't significantly hinder a skilled and determined shooter. What does it matter if someone only has an 8-round versus 15-round magazine if he can swap magazines in the blink of an eye?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThink about that - in these situations, there is no "return fire", so a few seconds to swap magazines more often (that's all it takes) isn't a critical issue.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou can't know that. Even if the grandfather had had a safe, it's possible they could have found the combination written down somewhere, or conned him into showing the guns to them --- you really can't say "never would have succeeded" just on the basis that the grandfather 'hadn't bothered to get a gun safe'.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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