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A Sane Discussion About Gun Violence
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Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI cannot support anything without data. My gut tells me "fewer guns - less gun violence."
My gut tells me "lower capacity magazines, less harm done."
My gut tells me "eliminate all automatic and semi-automatic weapons, less harm done."
but my gut has been wrong on more than one occasion. We need the studies - but we cannot get them in the current climate - so I am left...somewhat rudderless.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAre you advocating that we legalize drugs then? I have to admit that I find it absolutely fascinating to see people who typically are of a conservative bent, who years ago would adamantly not have been for the legalization of drugs, suddenly sort of soften on the issue when parallels are made to the nation's gun problem.
Also, our prisons are filled to overflowing with drug users. We have more people in prison than any other nation on earth. That doesn't seem particularly healthy for a society. While I agree that no solution will be 100% on this issue till Christ's return, other industrialized nations don't seem to have nearly the issues we have on this front.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostAs I understand it, most of the gun problems in the USA are due to suicide. I think both conservatives and liberals want to deal with root issues. I haven't seen any evidence that those who go after guns are not also interested in treating root issues.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, but I'm of that odd lot that thinks we need to focus more on the consumer than on the supplier. Not saying we shouldn't still try to stop shipments of drugs, but as long as there is a market... just like guns.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostYou have not read the news have you?
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI think mostly because it doesn't sound like a reasonable response. Sentencing a first time offender to life, or threatening them with capital punishment for brandishing a weapon in which no one was harmed and no lives were taken would probably seem to the majority of US citizens as an unjust punishment. As well, there's lots of debate on whether or not there is any actual correlation between the length of a sentence and the deterrence of crime. Plenty of experts think there is not.
The actual answer to Jed's question is simple - it's completely UNCONSTITUTIONAL. 'Extremely harsh' based on the presence of a weapon is going to be impossible to keep away from the 'cruel and unusual' line."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou are demonstrating reasonable control....Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postso if you got burglarized and someone else used your gun to commit a crime, you should go to jail? Does that sound fair to you?"He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostMy two rifles do not fit in the safe and I can do nothing about it unless the government wants to buy me a safe.
2) Take the weapons apart to store them.
Rights come with responsibilities - and since gun ownership is a limited right, you DO bear the responsibility to not allow your weapon to be stolen or sold to someone who is not legally able to own it.
This total lack of responsibility is why you have people that don't want ANYONE to have guns."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI don't consider it a punishment, anymore than I consider having to wear a seat belt a punishment.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThink about that - in these situations, there is no "return fire", so a few seconds to swap magazines more often (that's all it takes) isn't a critical issue.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostFrom what I know of the available data - they simply bring them in from locations where they are not banned - or they obtain them illegally.
The ACTUAL issue is federal gun control.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWith enough practice, you can learn to swap magazines before the previous one has hit the ground.
That I couldn't operate it as effectively as a soldier or SWAT unit guy really doesn't make the people with bullets in them feel any better.
The disconnected idea that guns aren't force multipliers if you aren't an expert in their use is just DUMB."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Postso if that child took a crayon and wrote graffiti on teh wall you would take all crayons from all the children in that class? that is in essense what you are advocating."He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain that which he cannot lose." - Jim Elliot
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