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"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI think it's possible, likely even, that the number of gun users hasn't risen so much as the number of guns that each individual has acquired. So, what we're seeing is owners who used to own one or two guns now owning three, four, or more. My gun owning co-workers all own more than one, and my boss's son (who also works here) actually owns a literal arsenal of several dozen (mostly AR-15s in different configurations). I think that matters to statistics like these. We have more guns, but the number of gun owners likely hasn't risen very high.
An interesting phenomenon (and I'm looking for the study) is that a record number of women bought handguns in the past 5 years.
ETA: A quick Google search seems to confirm your theory, with repeat sales being high, but it seems to depend on the "study" and who's funding it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAmerica, the only Western country with this problem on this scale, can't possibly do anything to fix it. There are no solutions anywhere else in the Western world. That's why it happens in America and not other Western countries.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'd like to see something substantiating this - I don't doubt that gun owners bought "more guns", in light of the various threats of banning guns, etc, but I'd suspect a good percentage of gun sales were to new owners. Again, in the light of various threats of gun banning, I know quite a few people who purchased their first handgun "just in case".
An interesting phenomenon (and I'm looking for the study) is that a record number of women bought handguns in the past 5 years.
ETA: A quick Google search seems to confirm your theory, with repeat sales being high, but it seems to depend on the "study" and who's funding it.
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And each wave of "gun banning talks" has the totally unintended consequence of fueling the very thing it hopes to stall. Which is why, of course, we have posters like....
09cc1899b844159a6c6c227f6156099d--good-job-patriot.jpgThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostWere the words "Western" and "on this scale" obscured by the Tippex on your monitor?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostWhere did I ever say anything remotely to that effect?
I think going after the actual problem: The people who do this sort of thing, is a better solution. The people who do mass shootings are often very disturbed individuals. These should not have access to any sort of dangerous weapons.
Maybe there should be a psych evaluation in addition to a background check?
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'd like to see something substantiating this - I don't doubt that gun owners bought "more guns", in light of the various threats of banning guns, etc, but I'd suspect a good percentage of gun sales were to new owners. Again, in the light of various threats of gun banning, I know quite a few people who purchased their first handgun "just in case".
An interesting phenomenon (and I'm looking for the study) is that a record number of women bought handguns in the past 5 years.
ETA: A quick Google search seems to confirm your theory, with repeat sales being high, but it seems to depend on the "study" and who's funding it.
It was one segment that was doing very well during an otherwise anemic economy
The fastest growing group of new gun buyers are women (up from 13% in 2005 to near 25% today) who are buying them primarily for home and personal defense although there has been a dramatic increase in women's participation in both hunting and target shooting as well.
There has also been a sharp increase in participation in classes designed to teach first time gun owners proper safety and use of their new firearms. A lot of gun stores have started up programs that offer instructions to first-time gun owners because they have noticed the influx and many have found it necessary to increase the number of classes they offer as customers fill them to capacity. Many gun stores and shooting ranges are offering such classes for the first time to meet demand. The NSSF reported that classes around the country for first-time gun owners are up by two-thirds.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post(had to look up "Tippex" -- assuming that's our "white-out"?)Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYou anti-abortionists are crazy.
Gun violence is very different to abortion issues, because with regard to abortion one side believes the objects being killed aren't really "people" in the full sense and are OK with it happening. Whereas in the case of mass slaughters, both sides agree that the schools kids or adults being slaughtered are indeed people who shouldn't be killed and whom killing is not okay.
I'm quite happy to own the moral responsibility of the fetuses killed by the abortion laws I support - it's a policy that I support and it has consequences and so through my support I'm partially responsible for those consequences. I'm okay with it because I don't think the killing of fetuses is deeply immoral, and therefore am fine with accepting and acknowledging my sliver of responsibility for an act that I'm not committing myself but am willfully enabling others to commit. But for some reason you cowards run from the moral responsibility of the people killed by the laws and culture that you willfully enact and propagate and support. Unlike me and abortion, you don't generally think it's okay when people are slaughtered by guns (unless it's police or military doing the slaughtering, and then you usually seem to be fine with it!!!), and your response is to refuse to acknowledge your own moral culpability and responsibility for supporting and enabling the culture and laws that led to those murders. It's pathetic. You're not merely murderers for your role in supporting the laws and culture that repeatedly enable these acts, you're cowards who run from your own moral responsibility.
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Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Postso toddlers are not people to you? Your moral compass is in need of some major repair work.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostYou anti-abortionists are crazy.
Gun violence is very different to abortion issues, because with regard to abortion one side believes the objects being killed aren't really "people" in the full sense and are OK with it happening. Whereas in the case of mass slaughters, both sides agree that the schools kids or adults being slaughtered are indeed people who shouldn't be killed and whom killing is not okay.
I'm quite happy to own the moral responsibility of the fetuses killed by the abortion laws I support - it's a policy that I support and it has consequences and so through my support I'm partially responsible for those consequences. I'm okay with it because I don't think the killing of fetuses is deeply immoral, and therefore am fine with accepting and acknowledging my sliver of responsibility for an act that I'm not committing myself but am willfully enabling others to commit. But for some reason you cowards run from the moral responsibility of the people killed by the laws and culture that you willfully enact and propagate and support. Unlike me and abortion, you don't generally think it's okay when people are slaughtered by guns (unless it's police or military doing the slaughtering, and then you usually seem to be fine with it!!!), and your response is to refuse to acknowledge your own moral culpability and responsibility for supporting and enabling the culture and laws that led to those murders. It's pathetic. You're not merely murderers for your role in supporting the laws and culture that repeatedly enable these acts, you're cowards who run from your own moral responsibility.
We support the legal ownership and responsible use of firearms. We bear no share of the blame if someone chooses to break the law.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI didn't mean you personally. But that seems to be the prevalent sentiment going around after any shooting. "We have to do something! And that something is take away everyone's guns!"
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