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Originally posted by Adrift View PostEh, I thought that was more or less implied in his original post, honestly, which is why I was a little surprised by your reaction.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, he obviously tried walking it back by changing it to "man-child" when called on it.
What is it with you people and "walking it back..."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI just have a really hard time thinking of somebody who actually planned and plotted to mow down so many innocent victims as a "child". I think that's nuttier than Post Toasties (if, indeed, they're nutty).
Do you have any children, CP?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPerhaps a little less Monday-morning quarterbacking and a little more time spent looking at how a child, with his clear mental issues, managed to get his hands on firearms?
For comparison the headlines in my country yesterday were about a disturbed youth who was radicalized online and spent 5 months planning a violent terrorist attack, only to give up on it the moment he started to carry it out:
[He] planned to ram a car into a group of people in Christchurch and then stab them... but has since told a psychologist when it began he "decided not to hurt anybody because he did not have the means to kill enough people"...
..."The reason no-one was hurt was that he did not have access to knives," Lange said. But there was significant premeditation, and hostility towards non-Muslims.
The average criminal has no access to firearms here, nor to knives that are suitable for stabbing (knives are required to be designed for cutting rather than stabbing or throwing).
And the result is a difference in terms of lives not lost, because this disturbed mass-killer-wannabe was simply unable to carry out the mass killing he'd been planning to perform. The most dangerous weapon he could access was a car, and he concluded that he simply couldn't kill a sufficient number of people with a car for it to be 'worth it'. Whereas, if he'd lived in America and could get guns and knives, he'd have quite happily gone on his killing spree.
The fact is that there are mentally ill people in all countries, and there are people who get radicalized or deeply angry in all countries, and in no country is the police force omniscient and able to stop all attacks before they happen. The difference between countries that have mass killings and those that don't, is not whether people exist who will want to try to commit a mass killing: The difference is whether they actually have the means to carry it out or not. If they do not have the means to commit a mass killing, they will not be able to commit a mass killing. It's pretty simple. Many conservatives in America seem to not understand that basic reality.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post...absolving them of personal responsibility. That's just sick.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postplz stop falsely labeling yourself as a moderate when you are a far left loon"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIf it makes you feel better...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostFrankly, my dear, I don't give a flyin' flip what you think. People like you make Carpe look sane and reasonable. And extremely right wing!I am Punkinhead.
"I have missed you, Oh Grand High Priestess of the Order of the Stirring Pot"
~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostFrom talking to him, I've come to believe he would vote for the major right-wing party if he lived in my country. He does not appear to be at all "far left".The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf one is far enough right - everyone else looks "left." If someone is far enough left, everyone else looks "right."I am Punkinhead.
"I have missed you, Oh Grand High Priestess of the Order of the Stirring Pot"
~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostFrankly, my dear, I don't give a flyin' flip what you think. People like you make Carpe look sane and reasonable. And extremely right wing!The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostFrom talking to him, I've come to believe he would vote for the major right-wing party if he lived in my country. He does not appear to be at all "far left"."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe most dangerous weapon he could access was a car, and he concluded that he simply couldn't kill a sufficient number of people with a car for it to be 'worth it'. Whereas, if he'd lived in America and could get guns and knives, he'd have quite happily gone on his killing spree."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostWait knives can't have points in new Zealand?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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