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Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by seer View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]26548[/ATTACH]
A trained law enforcement professional is one thing. Filling our schools with guns to prevent gun violence is...bizarre at best.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostWhat I see as dishonest is the bare number with no info on who, where, when, why. Are the vast majority of these murders simply murders? Or are they involved with crime and gang shootings, etc. I never accused you of lying but of giving slanted info.
What is TRULY disengenous, is to paint all of that with "take our guns" and claims that the 2nd Amendment is apparently the only amendment that should be unconstrained. The minority and a powerful lobby/industry have been getting their way for too long. It's long past time to reverse the tide. To the kids in Parkland, I say: good on you! Sometimes, it's the kids that teach the adults.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostA trained law enforcement professional is one thing. Filling our schools with guns to prevent gun violence is...bizarre at best.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYou're quite quick to accuse other people of "dishonesty", when there's totally zero indication that they are being dishonest or reason to think they are. I've noticed this tendency on your part and it makes me wonder what it is with you that makes you see it everywhere.
A quick search of the internet suggests to me that the number of people killed by guns in America is approximately 100 per day depending on exactly what year is checked, so the figure given seems about right.
If you wanted to quibble with it, I would note that the majority of those hundred are suicides, and only about one third of them are homicides. Of course, preventing suicide is a perfectly rational reason to enact some gun control (my country tightened gun control laws to try to reduce the rate of rural suicides), because when it comes to suicide, guns are more lethal than other methods (meaning the victim has a lower chance of failing at the suicide and receiving subsequent psychological help) and also a method that tends to be more spur-of-the-moment (if the gun is on hand then it doesn't take much time or physical motion from the decision to the act, whereas other methods require more time and effort). However, usually the gun control debate in the US does focus on gun homicides, and that number appears to be in the 24-40 per day kind of range.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s..._2011-2015.xls
Total murder victims by firearms in 2015 was 9,616
That works out to 26.34 murders per day, not 100.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
A trained law enforcement professional is one thing. Filling our schools with guns to prevent gun violence is...bizarre at best.
No one is speaking of filling anything, but having some well trained school personal would not be a bad idea. Though I would rather see law enforcement myself...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have to admit, this had me thinking for a bit. Then I realized that our local school has a sign that this is a "gun free zone," and we also have a member of the local constabulary at the school for the entirety of the school day. That is true of all of our local schools. What we won't permit is parents, visitors, and kids walking onto the school grounds with guns. We also won't permit faculty and staff to walk around with a gun on their hip, or anywhere else on their person.
A trained law enforcement professional is one thing. Filling our schools with guns to prevent gun violence is...bizarre at best."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostHow exactly do you stop them from walking on school property with guns?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou don't - you just launch a new wave of gun control hysteria when they do."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI can understand why the policy is in place. If it's not then people might start bringing guns and cause all sorts of trouble, accidents, etc. even if they're not planning to show up to school.
I'm just curious as to how the policy is enforced. Who confronts a student/parent who brings a gun to school?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou seem to have a tendency to overshoot the runway a bit -- who is proposing "filling our schools with guns"?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe proposal has been made, several times, that teachers and school staff be trained and armed. IMO, that's "filling our schools with guns."The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat makes the goofy assumption that ALL or a significant portion of the teachers and staff be armed --- I haven't seen that proposed. Anything to support your wild conclusion?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou're right - "filling our schools" is hyperbole.
IMO, ANY arming of school staff/teachers is a bad idea, unless the staff is a hired/trained security guard.
Adding more guns to the situation, in the hands of employees who's primary function is not related to security, is inherently a bad idea.
A good idea would be to beef up funding to the local police force to provide for a member of the local police at the school during school hours. It would also have the benefit of forging some bonds between the police and the kids.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, you don't normally go to such exaggerated rhetoric, I think.
Ummm.... in the law enforcement community, a "security guard" is not generally well respected. A stigma, perhaps, in that a "security guard" is thought to be a "cop wannabe".
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn your opinion, of course, and from your very prejudiced viewpoint.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAs has been stated, some of the schools (most of them around me I'm aware of) do have "SRO" personnel - School Resource Officers - who are not only armed and in uniformed, but are trained to interact with the kids, cultivate relationships, and develop 'intel' on potential problems. One of my church members is just such an officer, having served for years as a Sheriff's Deputy.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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