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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere were certainly plenty of prophets bouncing around, there may or may not have been a Jesus amongst them, I don't know that for sure one way or the other, and neither do I care, because whether he did or not, he wasn't god any more than any of the other preachers were.
While there are plenty of people who don't believe the historical Jesus was the Son of God, there are very few who believe he never existed at all.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYou're proving what a dummy you are.
While there are plenty of people who don't believe the historical Jesus was the Son of God, there are very few who believe he never existed at all.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere's that comprehension problem rearing its ugly head again, CP. C'mon, you can do better.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostThere's that comprehension problem rearing its ugly head again, CP. C'mon, you can do better.
The fact is that the church's in question believe in God, that he exists and that he revealed himself to mankind. Given that, and that he tells us to address him as a male and Father directly in several places in the bible, it means that he wants us to think of him as a male figure. As all of the people who are attempting to change this are believers, trying to argue that God doesn't exist is a complete non-sequitur.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostJimL, you and Tassman arguing that God doesn't exist but was made up by a patriarchal tribe is completely off topic.
The fact is that the church's in question believe in God, that he exists and that he revealed himself to mankind. Given that, and that he tells us to address him as a male and Father directly in several places in the bible, it means that he wants us to think of him as a male figure. As all of the people who are attempting to change this are believers, trying to argue that God doesn't exist is a complete non-sequitur.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostNo not really, we're both saying that the bible is fantasy, perhaps a difference is that they want to remake the fantasy in their own image. I don't.
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I posted about this on my Facebook page yesterday because as an Episcopalian, I was deeply concerned about the biblical and theological implications that really do border on heresy if it is pushed throughout the Church. My confirmation sponsor was kind enough to point out three things:
1) the Episcopal News Service (www.episcopalnewsservice.org) hasn't made an announcement on this which they definitely would.
2) The Diocese of Washington (www.edow.org) has also no made an announcement that they have made this decision.
3) The Diocese of Washington cannot change or update the Book of Common Prayer, even in their own diocese. Only the Primate of the Anglican Communion can mess with the prayer book.
He also made the valid point that standard news services rarely if ever get religious decision accurately. This made me feel a bit better. If this ever became an official, churchwide practice, I would leave the Episcopal Church and never look back. I've been drawn in by heresy before and I will not be drawn in by it again.I am Punkinhead.
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~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....
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Originally posted by ke7ejx View PostI posted about this on my Facebook page yesterday because as an Episcopalian, I was deeply concerned about the biblical and theological implications that really do border on heresy if it is pushed throughout the Church. My confirmation sponsor was kind enough to point out three things:
1) the Episcopal News Service (www.episcopalnewsservice.org) hasn't made an announcement on this which they definitely would.
2) The Diocese of Washington (www.edow.org) has also no made an announcement that they have made this decision.
3) The Diocese of Washington cannot change or update the Book of Common Prayer, even in their own diocese. Only the Primate of the Anglican Communion can mess with the prayer book.
He also made the valid point that standard news services rarely if ever get religious decision accurately. This made me feel a bit better. If this ever became an official, churchwide practice, I would leave the Episcopal Church and never look back. I've been drawn in by heresy before and I will not be drawn in by it again.
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DC Episcopalians Opt for Open Borders and Transgenderism, Eschew Gendered Pronouns for Godhttps://juicyecumenism.com/2018/01/2...-pronouns-god/
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Originally posted by JimL View PostI don't believe he was suggesting anything was wrong with it seer, he was just explaining why your god was conceived of as a male and not a female.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostAlso Israel being a Patriarchal society is BECAUSE of God. He set it up that way.
You are trying to rationalize your view with no evidence. God doesn't change his nature. If he wanted to be seen as male 2000 years ago he does today too. God wants us to worship him on his terms, not ours. We don't get to just make up things that are convenient or we think are nice about God because that is the current view of society. Throughout the bible God tells us to not conform to the world, to not be caught up in what the world thinks is right and wrong, that we are ambassadors of God's kingdom and that we are to be holy and that we do not belong to the world.
I'm asking what the purpose of God's actions was, which is an entirely ordinary question among Christians regarding any and all aspects of the religion. I don't see any other reason for an ageless, formless, all-powerful, all-knowing entity to gender itself outside of appealing to a culture in a specific place at a specific time. If you have any other reason in mind, I'd be happy to hear it. You mentioned in another reply "[God] tells us to address him as a male and Father directly in several places in the bible", and that's wrong. God told a certain population 2000 years ago to address him as a male. The lack of modern canon has required Christians to ponder God's intentions and desires in regard to all sorts of issues and scenarios. Be careful you don't prioritize your interpretation of your religion over God's intention.Last edited by Psychic Missile; 02-07-2018, 08:13 PM.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat is wrong with that, it is what we see in our closest primate cousins. It's just natural...
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostUnlike our close primate cousins, the human primate has the capacity to evolve socially. What was once culturally acceptable in primitive societies is no longer acceptable in many instances today...including the subjugation of women.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostHow could God have set up ancient Judaic culture to be patriarchal?
I'm asking what the purpose of God's actions was, which is an entirely ordinary question among Christians regarding any and all aspects of the religion. I don't see any other reason for an ageless, formless, all-powerful, all-knowing entity to gender itself outside of appealing to a culture in a specific place at a specific time. If you have any other reason in mind, I'd be happy to hear it. You mentioned in another reply "[God] tells us to address him as a male and Father directly in several places in the bible", and that's wrong. God told a certain population 2000 years ago to address him as a male. The lack of modern canon has required Christians to ponder God's intentions and desires in regard to all sorts of issues and scenarios. Be careful you don't prioritize your interpretation of your religion over God's intention.
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