Should Trump Resign Over "Hellhole" Comment?

[Cow Poke]

Ah, Graham said that he confronted the President concerning the language that Durbin claimed the President used. Thats proof that he supports Durbins claim.

No, it's not actually proof. I'm asking for an actual cite - I have seen what Graham claims, and it does not confirm what Durbin claimed. It could easily be bad language that's not exactly what Durbin said.

Jim, I think this is above your mental capacity, so how bout you let somebody else handle this, OK? It was actually addressed to Shuny, and he's an order of magnitude sharper than you are.

[JimL]

No, it's not actually proof. I'm asking for an actual cite - I have seen what Graham claims, and it does not confirm what Durbin claimed. It could easily be bad language that's not exactly what Durbin said.

Jim, I think this is above your mental capacity, so how bout you let somebody else handle this, OK? It was actually addressed to Shuny, and he's an order of magnitude sharper than you are.

I think I'll respond to whatever I care to if that's okay with you oh arrogant one. And btw, you're not as bright as you seem to think you are CP, but I'll give you credit for having learned to spell at least.

[Cow Poke]

I think I'll respond to whatever I care to if that's okay with you oh arrogant one. And btw, you're not as bright as you seem to think you are CP, but I'll give you credit for having learned to spell at least.

[rogue06]

lao tzu, this is not at all controversial. NPR themselves admit their liberal bias. Here's a conversation between Bob Garfield, the host of the NPR show "On the Media", and Ira Glass, the host of the NPR show "This American Life" from 2011,

Bob Garfield: You and I both know that if you were to somehow poll the political orientation of everybody in the NPR news organization and at all of the member stations, you would find an overwhelmingly progressive, liberal crowd, not uniformly, but overwhelmingly.

Ira Glass: Journalism, in general, reporters tend to be Democrats and tend to be more liberal than the public as a whole, sure. But that doesn't change what is going out over the air. And I feel like, well, let's measure the product.

Former NPR CEO Ken Stern also acknowledged the far left leaning nature of NPR in a recent NY Post piece.

If you think I'm going to sit in my car with pen and paper and wait for each time NPR displays their extreme dislike for Trump, then you're gonna have to have another think. I find it amazing that you haven't noticed it yourself. Maybe you don't listen to NPR as often as I do. I don't know. But it's there. I have absolutely no reason to lie about this. If you don't believe me, then move on. I wasn't talking to you anyways.

Then there is the fact that Ken Stern, a former Executive Vice President and later CEO of NPR, has openly acknowledged the liberal bias at NPR noting that^[1]:

When you are liberal, and everyone else around you is as well, it is easy to fall into groupthink on what stories are important, what sources are legitimate and what the narrative of the day will be.

He frankly admitted that, to take just one issue, gun control, that the MSM (not just NPR) "is obsessed with the gun-control side and gives only scant, mostly negative, recognition to the gun-rights sides."

Similarly, Jeffrey Dvorkin, formerly a Vice President of News and then ombudsman for NPR for nearly a decade, admitted in 2003 that there is a liberal bias in the network's talk programming pointing to how differently the network handled interviews with Al Franken and Bill O'Reilly as one example saying that they "served to confirm the belief, held by some, in NPR's liberal media bias."

Heck, even one of the hosts on the left-leaning MSNBC^[2] Joe Scarborough (while discussing NPR's pressuring of their top political correspondent, Mara Liasson, to reconsider her appearances on Fox News) said back in 2009 that NPR has "a very substantial left-wing bias":

"Well I just want to say, I love NPR and I listen to NPR, but I've been listening to reformed, pot-smoking hippies for the past thirty years on NPR with a very substantial left-wing bias - and I don't care that they eat tree bark like Euell Gibbons, and I don't care if they are still smoking pot in their sixties. They put on great radio. But for NPR - for NPR, the leadership at NPR to question the bias of Fox News is a joke. They have been biased - again, I still listen to them, because like "The New York Times" they are the best at what they do. But, please, that is a laugh."

Finally, a few years back a study conducted by researchers at UCLA and the University of Missouri found that NPR was slightly more conservative than the Washington Post to be more liberal than the average U.S. voter of the time (though slightly more conservative than the average U.S. Democrat).









1.2. As Obama Administration advisor Kareem Dale frankly conceded: "At the White House, as we always like to say, we love MSNBC."

[rogue06]

No, it's not actually proof. I'm asking for an actual cite - I have seen what Graham claims, and it does not confirm what Durbin claimed. It could easily be bad language that's not exactly what Durbin said.

That is one of the unsubstantiated rumors floating around -- that Trump used a similarly sounding term ("poophouse" not "poophole"). That would indeed qualify as being "basically accurate" but we still don't know what Graham meant when he said that.

[JimL]

Then there is the fact that Ken Stern, a former Executive Vice President and later CEO of NPR, has openly acknowledged the liberal bias at NPR noting that^[1]:

When you are liberal, and everyone else around you is as well, it is easy to fall into groupthink on what stories are important, what sources are legitimate and what the narrative of the day will be.

He frankly admitted that, to take just one issue, gun control, that the MSM (not just NPR) "is obsessed with the gun-control side and gives only scant, mostly negative, recognition to the gun-rights sides."

Similarly, Jeffrey Dvorkin, formerly a Vice President of News and then ombudsman for NPR for nearly a decade, admitted in 2003 that there is a liberal bias in the network's talk programming pointing to how differently the network handled interviews with Al Franken and Bill O'Reilly as one example saying that they "served to confirm the belief, held by some, in NPR's liberal media bias."

Heck, even one of the hosts on the left-leaning MSNBC^[2] Joe Scarborough (while discussing NPR's pressuring of their top political correspondent, Mara Liasson, to reconsider her appearances on Fox News) said back in 2009 that NPR has "a very substantial left-wing bias":

"Well I just want to say, I love NPR and I listen to NPR, but I've been listening to reformed, pot-smoking hippies for the past thirty years on NPR with a very substantial left-wing bias - and I don't care that they eat tree bark like Euell Gibbons, and I don't care if they are still smoking pot in their sixties. They put on great radio. But for NPR - for NPR, the leadership at NPR to question the bias of Fox News is a joke. They have been biased - again, I still listen to them, because like "The New York Times" they are the best at what they do. But, please, that is a laugh."

Finally, a few years back a study conducted by researchers at UCLA and the University of Missouri found that NPR was slightly more conservative than the Washington Post to be more liberal than the average U.S. voter of the time (though slightly more conservative than the average U.S. Democrat).









1.2. As Obama Administration advisor Kareem Dale frankly conceded: "At the White House, as we always like to say, we love MSNBC."

It's not that they're biased concerning the issues, it just looks that way to conservatives because conservatives are generally wrong concerning the issues.

[rogue06]

It's not that they're biased concerning the issues, it just looks that way to conservatives because conservatives are generally wrong concerning the issues.

These are liberals admitting that NPR has a liberal slant dumbass.

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[rogue06]

Ah, Graham said that he confronted the President concerning the language that Durbin claimed the President used. Thats proof that he supports Durbins claim.

No. It supports that Trump used some raw language -- something he readily admits while denying the quote Durbin attributed to him.

[JimL]

These are liberals admitting that NPR has a liberal slant dumbass.

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Yeah I know, the liberal slant isn't a bias, it just happens to be generally right whereas the conservative slant is generally wrong.

[rogue06]

Egad! Sen Graham would have been the first to dispute the claim if it were not true.

Hardly. He is a virulent Never Trumper who was one of Trump's most vocal Republican critics during the campaign saying he was a "nut job" and "unfit for office" and who boasted of voting for Independent presidential candidate Evan McMullin rather than the man his party had picked.

OTOH, he has recently allied himself with Durbin, working closely with him on the issue of immigration.

[JimL]

Hardly. He is a virulent Never Trumper who was one of Trump's most vocal Republican critics during the campaign saying he was a "nut job" and "unfit for office" and who boasted of voting for Independent presidential candidate Evan McMullin rather than the man his party had picked.

OTOH, he has recently allied himself with Durbin, working closely with him on the issue of immigration.

Ah, actually he has recently, pretty near right after the election to be precise, aligned himself with Trump. He plays golf with him, pretty much most of what Trump does as President, other than watching Fox News and tweating ignorance, and he has become a big Trump supporter and defender.

[Mountain Man]

FWICT he was there but has only said that Durbin's claim was "basically accurate" which means it wasn't accurate but was close.

Interestingly, Graham, who is an ardent Never Trumper (who voted for Independent candidate Evan McMullin) made a similar remark back in 2013 while discussing immigration:

Yes, but as was discussed earlier in the thread, calling it "basically accurate" is just another way of admitting that it's not accurate. Did Trump use the term in question but not in the way it was described by Tricky Dick Durbin? Did Trump not use the term, but he may as well have in the context? Did Trump neither say or imply it, but someone interpreted it as if he had?

"Basically accurate..." whatever.

[JimL]

Yes, but as was discussed earlier in the thread, calling it "basically accurate" is just another way of admitting that it's not accurate. Did Trump use the term in question but not in the way it was described by Tricky Dick Durbin? Did Trump not use the term, but he may as well have in the context? Did Trump neither say or imply it, but someone interpreted it as if he had?

"Basically accurate..." whatever.

My goodness, the lengths to which you people will go. Basically accurate means there is no reason to concern yourself with the spin of the right. He said it, it was offensive, and Graham called him on it, period.

[Starlight]

Yes, but as was discussed earlier in the thread, calling it "basically accurate" is just another way of admitting that it's not accurate.

What happened earlier in the thread was you made the utterly bizarre claim that "basically accurate" meant not accurate and people rolled their eyes and corrected you. I don't know why you're obsessed with being wrong about what language means.

[Mountain Man]

My goodness, the lengths to which you people will go. Basically accurate means there is no reason to concern yourself with the spin of the right. He said it, it was offensive, and Graham called him on it, period.

Several people in the meeting have gone on record to say the President never used that language, and Trump himself has denied it. Graham wasn't even in the meeting, and Tricky Dick is a liar. Period.