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Originally posted by seer View PostRight, thereby linking this cold and snow to climate change. Let me ask you again Carp, what weather event COULDN'T be so linked?
And that would be different than what happened 500 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 250 years ago? In other words, increased frequency compared to what? The last 40-50 years, the last 200?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
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of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight, thereby linking this cold and snow to climate change. Let me ask you again Carp, what weather event COULDN'T be so linked?
Originally posted by seer View PostAnd that would be different than what happened 500 years ago, 1,000 years ago, 250 years ago? In other words, increased frequency compared to what? The last 40-50 years, the last 200?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostThanks, you have made my point. There is no weather event that questioners of AGW could point to, and there is no weather event that a supported of AGW couldn't fit into the theory. Tails I win, heads you lose...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSee my previous post: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post506058
We have no complete record of global weather phenomena that far back, Seer, and it is impossible to reconstruct, as far as I know. What we DO have is multiple sources that provide evidence for CO2 concentration levels in the atmosphere, and the rate of change of that concentration over time. We also have all of the scientific evidence about what cooncentrations of greenhouse gases do to the climate in general, because those concentrations are definitively linked to global warming and cooling, as tracked by ocean and glacier levels. We also have computer models of the atmosphere that have been shown to be effective predictors, and keep getting better. The way these models are tested, as I understand it, is to take the concentration levels from the past and use them to see if they predict what happens with the climate in the following years. If they can do that, then they should be able to take todays numbers and trends and project what will happen in the coming years. It won't be perfect - models are always an approximation - but it is reasonable.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThat's what you're doing. They're also not doing the contrary "We had a mild winter in the US... therefore global warming is true" They're arguing that milder winters as we've seen recently, are partially explained by the change in global temperature.
That's a talk about multiple weather phenomenons seer. Are there more mild winters now than a hundred years ago? Yes or no. That's not a question of whether it was really cold in Denmark in December of 1993 in Denmark (which it was). That's a question of trends as a whole.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostAnd that will lead to the objection that the climate models were inaccurate - as shown by the (so called) hiatus. True enough the rate of change did slow for a time (not for so long as 17 years, and it didn't stop). 6 or 7 reasonably significant volcanic eruptions during that time, which is the kind of event that cannot be put into models because they can't be predicted, is the reason behind that reduction in rate.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy, why haven't a few milder winters just been a normal part of the ebb and flow of weather.
The relationship between the intensity of the weather, and the Earth's global average temperature, is more controversial than whether its getting warmer or not. So far I'm undecided either way.
I have no idea, were there warmer winters in the distant past? For instance during the Medieval warming period. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/...l-warm-period/
https://web.archive.org/web/20160330...g1%2Findex.htm
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhy, why haven't a few milder winters just been a normal part of the ebb and flow of weather.
Originally posted by seer View PostI have no idea, were there warmer winters in the distant past? For instance during the Medieval warming period. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/01/...l-warm-period/The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostThe relationship between the intensity of the weather, and the Earth's global average temperature, is more controversial than whether its getting warmer or not. So far I'm undecided either way.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThis definitely caught my eye. You appear to be far more versed on this than I. From what I have read, I would have said (and have said) that they are linked. Can you explain why you are still undecided on this? I'd hate to hold a position that is not adequately supported.
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There's the graph from your own citation, Seer. Year 2000 is the end mark of actual data. What has happened in the 17 years since?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostOh its simple, I haven't dug into those parts of the reports yet. I don't even know the state of modern day research on that, I do know its been a longer discussion, but I don't know if they've reached proper consensus yet on it. If there's too much of a hold out I won't consider the issue settled yet.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThe so-called hiatus is claimed from 1998-2015 and is frankly the result of cherry-picking the available evidence to "prove" a desired position. That anyone would accept it as real, especially given the links and the graph I provided below, displays either a lack of impartiality in examining the data, a lack of understanding of the data, or simply a flagrant exercise in confirmation bias.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostHad I been subjecting myself to confirmation bias, it would have tended to support the position that I am arguing for - which is that Global Warming is real, and that it is strongly a result of man-induced forcing.
The graph is included here again, for reference
Picture1.jpgThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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