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Record Cold, US and Europe: Global Warming?
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYour whipping a dead horse. As I said tropical storm data is NOT at present a major indicator of climate change. The sources I will cite will go into this. The elephant in the room is you cited a very short term old study on a hurricane 'drought' that did not mention climate change. What's up with citing this not relevant source?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostLet me type really really slowly . . .
Everyone needs to refer to and understand academic sources and not the yellow journalism from the extreme views from AL Gore to Breitbart nonacademic sources.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostIt is freaking cold, I can't remember it being this cold in December for this long since the sixties, with no end in sight. Europe is experiencing the same. How does this square with Global warming...
Climate models actually predict these kinds of fluctations, with or without warming. Different places see different extremes at different times - including large areas. The overall average temperature of the planet has been, however, climbing at an unpresedented rate. CO2 levels in the atmosphere are climbing at unprecedented levels. There are clear indicators that we are in an overall global warming trend, with all of the inherent consequences of that reality.
Denying it seems to me, folly. Nature doesn't care. If we do not take steps to try to counter our part of the contribution to the effect, nature will do what nature does, and we'll just have to deal with the outcomes. Unfortunately, the outcomes are fairly distant (latter half of this century) and we humans are not reknown for our long-term visions. So if distant consequences compromise short-term prosperity, we are very good at sticking our heads in the sand and just continuing on our merry way, confident we will "deal with it" when/if it becomes an actual problem. That tendency may well bite us on this one.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostCan you show us one time it was predicted that global warming would lead to record cold temperatures?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI am responding to the OP and have not read the entire thread yet. You appear, however, to be confusing "weather" with "climate." Specific events in time are "weather." Overall trends and patterns are "climate." YOu also appear tobe confusing "local" with "global." Two years ago, we had a record breaking year for average high temperatures around the world. A map came out that showed the average annual temperature throughout the world. It was yellow-orange-red virtually everywhere, indicating areas that were above average. There was ONE place on the entire planet that was very blue (below average): the northeast of the U.S. Boston got buried in snow, and we had record-setting cold temperatures. Climate-change deniers in New England were asking the same question - if global warming is true, why is it so cold?
Climate models actually predict these kinds of fluctations, with or without warming. Different places see different extremes at different times - including large areas. The overall average temperature of the planet has been, however, climbing at an unpresedented rate. CO2 levels in the atmosphere are climbing at unprecedented levels. There are clear indicators that we are in an overall global warming trend, with all of the inherent consequences of that reality.
Denying it seems to me, folly. Nature doesn't care. If we do not take steps to try to counter our part of the contribution to the effect, nature will do what nature does, and we'll just have to deal with the outcomes. Unfortunately, the outcomes are fairly distant (latter half of this century) and we humans are not reknown for our long-term visions. So if distant consequences compromise short-term prosperity, we are very good at sticking our heads in the sand and just continuing on our merry way, confident we will "deal with it" when/if it becomes an actual problem. That tendency may well bite us on this one.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, yeah, yeah... every party needs a pooper, that's why we invited you!
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The "ice age" cover for Time Magazine is a fake cover that has been circulating online for some time.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYes, it makes total sense that an average increase in global temperature would cause record extreme bitter cold.
There is a good summary of this effect here: https://insideclimatenews.org/news/3...boston-us-asia
If that seems too biased a site, I have always found Popular Science to be fairly well edited and supported: https://www.popsci.com/warm-arctic-cold-winterThe ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostExcept Antarctic sea ice is at record levels.
And anyway, that's all just an attempt to explain away the cold weather after the fact. I want to see a prediction before the fact! Which scientist was predicting that global warming would cause record cold?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostJust so you know: http://science.time.com/2013/06/06/s...oming-ice-age/
The "ice age" cover for Time Magazine is a fake cover that has been circulating online for some time.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by seer View PostSee Leonard many of us remember the scientific consensus around acid rain, that it was a planetary crisis leading to an uninhabitable earth. Never mind the fact that no one has demonstrated that over all a warmer planet would be worse or less beneficial than a cooler planet.
The article is specific to the Appalachian area, so cannot be contrued to be "global," but the sources it cites appear to check out (I spot-checked a few).The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostFirst you guys say that weather events do not disprove or prove global warming, now you say they do prove it? And what do you do with the 10 year low in Atlantic hurricanes before this last season? Not to mention that you have no idea what is normal for these events. So does a lull in Atlantic storms also point to global warming?
US in Longest 'Hurricane Drought' in Recorded History
https://www.livescience.com/50704-hu...e-drought.html
In fact, in general, the number of hurricanes per season shows a general track of increasing.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostI'll tell you why Leonhard, because the old school Communists moved into the green movement, this is very well documented. If you are really interested try Rupert Darwall's latest work; Green Tyranny. It is meticulously foot noted and referenced.
https://www.amazon.com/Green-Tyranny...=green+tyranny
We are not blind, we see what the greens are saying, they are not shy about it: https://pjmedia.com/zombie/2014/9/23...munist-agenda/
I ask because I know that anyone can write a book - and even cite extensive sources - and still be simply out to make a buck and not be truly interested in the science. I read one such book a few years ago, and when I spot-checked the references, I discovered some of them didn't even exist. So I have become dubious about "authoritative books" until I can see how it has been critiqued and spot-check some of the references myself.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostLocally record cold temperatures, not globally. This article from Forbes provides a global map with average record highs in red-yellows and record lows in blues. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/marshal.../#18a5ed5e5680). Tghis year has a larger blue segment then the past couple years - but all of the past 10 year maps of this time show record highs dominating over record lows globally - hence the term "global" warming.
Anyway, that's now what I was asking: Who predicted that global warming would cause record cold temperatures? Nobody predicted that, because it doesn't make a lick of sense. On the contrary, we were told that cold and snow would be a thing of the past by now. And this isn't just a fluke, either.
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou are assuming two things Carp, one that there is an average for the earth's temperature, and two that a generally warmer earth will over all be worse than a colder earth. And finally, the alarmists had no problem pointing to this last active hurricane season as evidence for AGW. They use weather events when it suits them.
I actually said nothing about "better" or "worse." When the climate changes, there are corresponding consequences to ecology, geology, and other earth systems. Some of those will be positive (e.g., farming areas extending northwards, longer growing seasons) and others will be negative (e.g., impact of rising seas on coastal cities, weather events with increasing severity, etc.). Others are difficult to predict (e.g., migration of species, extermination of species, etc.).
As for yiour last point, I did not at any point say that the tendency to confuse weather and climate is unique to climate change deniers. I have seen weather incorrectly used to defend "global warming" and it is equally wrong when used in that way. Some people just don't know the difference - and they exist in both camps.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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