In fact you can even call me pro death. I still think abortion is murder and evil, but since the people committing it are overwhelmingly enemies, who am I to deny them their own culling? All my political decisions from this point onward are purely mercenary.
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I don't know you very well. I do know this as much as I disagree with quite a bit on the left I know they are still people. Right left libertarian we are all sinners in need of a savior. What good will it do to your soul to say such things? Pray for them.sigpic
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Well "pro-life" is a silly name for the position because most of those who are against abortion generally subscribe to a range of anti-life position such as: support for the death penalty; support for cops who kill people in the line of duty that others might describe as innocent people; support for wars that kill people; support for drone strikes; support for high availability of firearms (which are subsequently used to kill people at high rates in the US); against extending medical care to all people; against extending programs that provide support for the poor and needy; support torture programs etc.
On the whole, people who label themselves "progressive" tend to be vastly more concerned about the value of human life in general and ensuring the well-being thereof than are the people who label themselves "pro-life". My best friend, an evangelical Christian, commented to me last month that overall he felt the problem with US conservatives was their general lack of concern for the value of human life (to which I replied with a smile "but what about abortion?" He rolled his eyes)."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIn fact you can even call me pro death. I still think abortion is murder and evil, but since the people committing it are overwhelmingly enemies, who am I to deny them their own culling? All my political decisions from this point onward are purely mercenary.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell "pro-life" is a silly name for the position because most of those who are against abortion generally subscribe to a range of anti-life position"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI doubt your sincerity here. What is this ruse leading to?"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by TheWall View PostI don't know you very well. I do know this as much as I disagree with quite a bit on the left I know they are still people. Right left libertarian we are all sinners in need of a savior. What good will it do to your soul to say such things? Pray for them."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThe Amalekites were also people and God had the Israelites slaughter them, children and all.
Also let's not forget the nasty little ceremony in Numbers 5:11 where any woman suspected of adultery is to be forced to drink an abortifacient, and if the fetus dies then obviously she was guilty of adultery, and if not, not. Kinda like medieval witch trials..."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYeah, in the context of the enemies of the Israelites, there's also all sorts of commands from God for the slaughter of children, pregnant women etc. And there's also a variety of passages where God himself causes the miscarriages. The OT seems to generally depict a God who is both pro-genocide and pro-abortion (and pro-slavery).
Also let's not forget the nasty little ceremony in Numbers 5:11 where any woman suspected of adultery is to be forced to drink an abortifacient, and if the fetus dies then obviously she was guilty of adultery, and if not, not. Kinda like medieval witch trials..."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIn fact you can even call me pro death. I still think abortion is murder and evil, but since the people committing it are overwhelmingly enemies, who am I to deny them their own culling? All my political decisions from this point onward are purely mercenary.Find my speling strange? I'm trying this out: Simplified Speling. Feel free to join me.
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostI'm no Christian, but I'm not sure Jesus would agree with you on that one were he alive today.Last edited by Starlight; 12-13-2017, 12:04 AM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostAlso let's not forget the nasty little ceremony in Numbers 5:11 where any woman suspected of adultery is to be forced to drink an abortifacient, and if the fetus dies then obviously she was guilty of adultery, and if not, not. Kinda like medieval witch trials...
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostQuestionable. A few translations render the applicable passage (most specifically Numbers 5:26) in such a way to suggest this, but most do not.
Can you explain your alternative reading? - what is the purpose of the described ceremony: what is the text saying with regard to why an Israelite should perform the ceremony, what does it accomplish, and what are the possible outcomes?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostI'm no Christian, but I'm not sure Jesus would agree with you on that one were he alive today."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostGiven Jesus was a brown-skinned anti-war socialist who gave away free healthcare and spent much of his ministry critiquing the rich people and saying they were going to hell... I think a lot of the 'Christians' in this forum would have big issues with Jesus were he alive today."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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