I no longer consider myself pro-life

[carpedm9587]

I'm certainly willing to look at that data. Can you provide me with links to the data that associates those things with our country's position on that graph?

Nope - visitor but not occupant

Yes

Eat a healthier diet, exercise, and your healthcare cost will go down.

So, again, can we have access to the stats that show that this is the reason for the outlying position of the U.S. on that chart. It is certainly a plausible theory, but I don't like to stake positions on correlations - I'd rather base them on documented causations.

[lilpixieofterror]

I'm certainly willing to look at that data. Can you provide me with links to the data that associates those things with our country's position on that graph?

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity...ealth-effects/https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obes..._United_States

According to this

Nope - visitor but not occupant

And did you notice less fast food, more walking, less stressed, and healthier diets?

[quote{So, again, can we have access to the stats that show that this is the reason for the outlying position of the U.S. on that chart. It is certainly a plausible theory, but I don't like to stake positions on correlations - I'd rather base them on documented causations.[/QUOTE]

[carpedm9587]

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity...ealth-effects/https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obes..._United_States

According to this

Pixie, your data is about the impact of obersity on health (which is granted) and the impact of obesity on cost (which is also granted). But the charts are about disproprotionate cost to the U.S. versus lifespan, so your data above does not address the point.

I went for some comparison statistics and found that U.S. obsesity rates are approximately double those of the rest of the world (https://www.everydayhealth.com/news/are-we-fat-think/), lending some credibility to your explanation. But then I realized that the world is a big place and includes a lot of impoverished countries where food is more scarce and obesity is not as big a problem (https://renewbariatrics.com/obesity-rank-by-countries/), so I started looking for country-based statistics. Turns out UK (one of the few countries identified in the chart) rates are comparable to ours (https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...ther-countries), their lifespans are roughly the same as ours, but their costs are about half. That does not support your position. I've been trying to find the identities of the other countries on the graph, but so far have not, so I only have this one data point.

But the original study says it is not just lifespan that is impacted (https://ourworldindata.org/the-link-...nding-us-focus). We have more infant deaths than many countries, and several other negative health outcomes not associated with obesity, despite our higher per-capita spending. This strongly suggests that something is awry with our healthcare system as well as the way we pay for it.

I do agree, however, that we collectively need to get off our butts and get some exercise going. Speaking of which - I'm late for mine...

[Darth Executor]

And here's Rogue with the attempted distraction. You, i consider a wilful and guilty murderer on thr grounds of your regular gun apologetics as well as on the healthcare issue.

"If you don't give liberals all your money you are murdering them."

I don't see how this is a persuasive argument, from any angle.

[shunyadragon]

Feel better?

No a coherent answer. Nice dodge.

[Cow Poke]

No a coherent answer. Nice dodge.

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[JimL]

"If you don't give liberals all your money you are murdering them."

I don't see how this is a persuasive argument, from any angle.

LOL, All your money! It's called paying your taxes for the betterment of society, not giving all your money to liberals. Guns in the wrong hands and lack of health care kill republicans too.

[Zymologist]

No actually, merely thinking about the subject makes me really angry. I consider you morally responsible for murder due to your roll in voting for and supporting right-wing politicians who have failed to provide, and actively stood against, ensuring everyone in your country has access to healthcare who needs it.

This will just never get old:

[carpedm9587]

This will just never get old:

Now THAT was funny...

[Sparko]

The widespread failure of the so called 'Christian' church to follow the teachings of Jesus certainly was a source of ongoing frustration when I was a Christian.

However my reason for not actually believing in the supernatural and ultimately being an atheist I outlined here.

I know what you claim. But I am talking about what is behind all that.

[Starlight]

This will just never get old:

The low road speed limit thing has actually been on my mind recently.

When I visited an island in Vanuatu that had very bad heavily potholed shingle roads and hence a practical maximum speed of ~15mph, the driver mentioned to me that the plan was to seal the roads, and he was against it because it meant that people would drive a lot faster and when they had crashes they might die.

The road toll is pretty high in most Western nations. I do wonder if we halved all our speed limits whether it would save a lot of lives. Obviously it would annoy a lot of people. But perhaps it would then lead to more people using (usually safer) trains and planes for transport?

I guess self-driving cars are probably going to solve the problem for us.

[Starlight]

I still think abortion is murder and evil, but since the people committing it are overwhelmingly enemies, who am I to deny them their own culling?

I remembered the other day that you have the bizarre view that things like liberalism or atheism are genetic rather than learned. And I recalled that is why you think that your statement about their "culling" makes sense, and why you're anti-immigrant because you insanely think those people's genetics will dictate how their children behave rather than the social behaviors they learn from the culture around them.

Just a general reminder that you are crazy and are scientifically and factually wrong in your premises.

[RumTumTugger]

And here's Rogue with the attempted distraction. You, i consider a wilful and guilty murderer on thr grounds of your regular gun apologetics as well as on the healthcare issue.

nope just showing your hypocrisy. when you try to take the moral high ground get a clue you aren't on hte high ground of morality when you say it is ok to kill a 3 month old baby.

[lilpixieofterror]

Pixie, your data is about the impact of obersity on health (which is granted) and the impact of obesity on cost (which is also granted). But the charts are about disproprotionate cost to the U.S. versus lifespan, so your data above does not address the point.

I went for some comparison statistics and found that U.S. obsesity rates are approximately double those of the rest of the world (https://www.everydayhealth.com/news/are-we-fat-think/), lending some credibility to your explanation. But then I realized that the world is a big place and includes a lot of impoverished countries where food is more scarce and obesity is not as big a problem (https://renewbariatrics.com/obesity-rank-by-countries/), so I started looking for country-based statistics. Turns out UK (one of the few countries identified in the chart) rates are comparable to ours (https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...ther-countries), their lifespans are roughly the same as ours, but their costs are about half. That does not support your position. I've been trying to find the identities of the other countries on the graph, but so far have not, so I only have this one data point.

But the original study says it is not just lifespan that is impacted (https://ourworldindata.org/the-link-...nding-us-focus). We have more infant deaths than many countries, and several other negative health outcomes not associated with obesity, despite our higher per-capita spending. This strongly suggests that something is awry with our healthcare system as well as the way we pay for it.

I do agree, however, that we collectively need to get off our butts and get some exercise going. Speaking of which - I'm late for mine...

this article that give a decent summery of the issues.

[lilpixieofterror]

LOL, All your money! It's called paying your taxes for the betterment of society, not giving all your money to liberals. Guns in the wrong hands and lack of health care kill republicans too.