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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo the five positions he attributed to you - are they correct?
The other three positions he cites are significant misrepresentations of my views on those topics, and you can take them to be largely not correct. (3) I don't have any strong opinions on bestiality and have no idea what I would want as the law on the subject, though I have a number of potential concerns about it. One of those would certainly be harm done to the animals. (4) A friend on this forum once suggested that it might be potentially possible to prevent pedophiles raping children by letting them focus their desires on pornography rather than actual children, and I think I chimed in with something like "that's an interesting thought, I wonder if there's any research on that?", and just about every conservative in this forum decided they were going to willfully misinterpret my friend's post (it was crystal clear in the original context that it was a thought experiment, as the friend repeatedly stated in the thread) as being some great declaration of support for pedophilia (which neither he nor I support, obviously, just let's be clear on that). (5) Yes I think US conservatives are pretty prudish, but I don't have any opinions that I can think of offhand as to whether or not I would support mixed-gender showers in general as opposed to gender segregated ones.Last edited by Starlight; 12-12-2017, 08:33 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSo the five positions he attributed to you - are they correct?
Originally posted by Starlight View PostOriginally posted by JimL View PostDid I miss something? Did Starlight actually say somewhere that he is in favor of infanticide up to the age of three? I highly doubt it.Originally posted by Starlight View PostOriginally posted by seer View PostOn Singer:
He supports infanticide, which should make you happy Star.
As Singer points out, it is fairly common for hospitals to actually do infanticide - in quite a lot of neonatal wards where the baby is born particularly early and is suffering serious complications due to it and highly likely to have serious disabilities for life as a result, the doctors will often offer the parents the option of simply ceasing all life support for the infant and letting it die rather than going to the effort to keep it alive to live a seriously sub-optimal life.
Originally posted by seer View PostAnd he has no problem with bestiality if it is mutually satisfying with no harm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_...nd_infanticideOriginally posted by Starlight View PostYeah, I'm befuzzled by the war on child porn, given that I would have thought that letting these people look at porn gives them an alternative outlet for their desires, and making existing child porn freely available saturates the market and thus strongly disincentives the making of new child porn.
On the whole I find the SJW's approach to this entire topic a bit befuddling. Penalties for things like underage sex have been repeatedly raised through the roof, to the point where it gets completely silly like where if a boyfriend is one month older than his girlfriend and he's above the age of consent but she's still below it, then he gets hit with massive penalties and life-long sex-offender status etc if they have sex. It's ridiculous.Originally posted by Starlight View PostI don't really understand the mindsets of US Conservatives in these matters...
I mean, in lots of countries the kids at the beach are often naked to the age of about 4. In Europe and South America, women sunbathing topless can be quite common. In various parts of Europe, naked saunas with both genders are a thing. Any children who grow up on farms will see animals mating on a regular basis and understand the idea. And until recently in human history it's been reasonably common for families to live together in single-roomed houses in which the children were present while their parents do the deed.
In short, children don't melt die, or otherwise combust, if they know or see the differences between males and females, or if they know about or see sex. The idea that we need to withhold information to protect them is absurd, and says much more about our own lack of comfort with such subjects and our unwillingness to talk about them, than it says anything at all about whether it matters if children know or see things about gender or sexuality.
Yet despite that, US conservatives seem to see it as their job to protect the little babies from the scary knowledge. Thus, they try and sabotage sex education classes. Thus they try and make sure no girl ever sees a boy's peepee. They flip out at the idea of mixed gender showers because of their prudishness (I don't necessarily object to prudishness itself, I'm from a similar culture that's similarly prudish and even frowns at the idea of same-gender showers, and am happy saying any level of prudishness is just an arbitrary cultural norm). Yet... bizarrely... they seem totally fine with same-gender showers, and don't mind the idea of all the boys in the locker-room showering together, even though it's inevitable that a reasonable percentage of those boys are gay. It's apparently important to keep the transgender kids out of the locker-room in case something is seen, but the gay kids can look all they want, or something. Unless... bizarrely... the kid openly comes out as gay, and then it's apparently a big problem, because it means sports teams can't cope with the kid being in the locker-room. They were fine with the kid looking at the them naked when he was gay but hadn't told them he was, but they can't handle him being in the locker-room after he's told them. It all seems bizarre to me and full of double-standards and unjustifiable views.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou have Adrift on ignore because he drives you crazy,
and you have no good answer for him."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou have Adrift on ignore because he drives you crazy, and you have no good answer for him.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostThey are,
The one I do that take slight issue with is the child porn one which was part of a much longer wildly speculative discussion and thought experiment that gives it context in a way that is not evident in the quote itself. Although in the quote itself I do state "I would have thought that..." which again indicates speculation and tossing around of ideas, not stating a firm position or opinion."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostHaving temporarily disabled 'ignore' for the duration of this discussion, I will say that I am fine with most of the quotes from me there and think they stand on their own without further context. Carped9587 and any other readers can use them to judge for themselves whether they feel your characterizations were correct.
The one I do that take slight issue with is the child porn one which was part of a much longer wildly speculative discussion and thought experiment that gives it context in a way that is not evident in the quote itself. Although in the quote itself I do state "I would have thought that..." which again indicates speculation and tossing around of ideas, not stating a firm position or opinion.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostDude, you've never had me on ignore.
Your ego won't keep you from seeing what people have to say about you."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostRoy Moore leads by 4 percentage points over Doug Jones with 50 percent of precincts fully reporting.
Still, I am AMAZED that Alabama seems to have elected a Democrat. That bodes quite well for some rebalancing in Congress in 2018.
Of course - we went to bed in the 1940s thinking Dewey had won - so Moore still may pull it off...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUnfortunately, for Moore - they were apparently the rural districts we were discussing. Once the metros came in, Jones popped into the lead and is currently the projected winner - though with less than a 1% margin.
Still, I am AMAZED that Alabama seems to have elected a Democrat. That bodes quite well for some rebalancing in Congress in 2018.
Of course - we went to bed in the 1940s thinking Dewey had won - so Moore still may pull it off...
what you don't seem to get is that the bulk of the country is "extremist" and getting increasingly tired of moderates whose sole purpose is to enrich themselves and their corporate masters"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSeems pretty doubtful as two of the friends who have come to the same view as me and left (one being Sam, the other's username here I don't recall from years ago) were relatively centrist and didn't subscribe to my political views. Jaecp I guess you could argue was 'extreme left' in the sense that he was/is a committed democrat/progressive.
I think it's just you guys. I don't have these kinds of issues on other sites.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostUnfortunately, for Moore - they were apparently the rural districts we were discussing. Once the metros came in, Jones popped into the lead and is currently the projected winner - though with less than a 1% margin.
Still, I am AMAZED that Alabama seems to have elected a Democrat. That bodes quite well for some rebalancing in Congress in 2018.
Of course - we went to bed in the 1940s thinking Dewey had won - so Moore still may pull it off...
Just goes to show even Alabamastanis could be expected to put up with only so much.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIIRC Sam considered himself liberal but then for you even the most ardent Socialist is really a right winger
I find it kind of amusing how radical you perceive me to be. I mean, I'd love to see a return of the tax rates, economic policies, and strong labor unions, that the US had under Eisenhower. Eisenhower was Republican... does that make me right wing?
My country has had government-provided healthcare for ~75 years, much like the UK has (~73 years there)... and it's worked well and no parties have seriously suggested getting rid of it, because it's cheap and efficient. I look at the US and you guys are wasting huge amounts of money on an incredibly complex health monstrosity that doesn't even cover everyone. Naturally I think you're doing it wrong. Does that make me a radical left-winger, or just make me someone who comes from a country who 75 years ago tried a different way of doing things and it turned out better? Raphael likes it too, and he's a 'right-winger' by our standards.
I agree with the people you Americans call 'progressives' in your politics on social policies... but so do most Americans these days. Progressive social policies seem to have won in the US and achieved both implementation and majority support.
There's honestly very few weird or unusual policies I support: Like, abolish the rampant corruption in the US system, give me back some New Deal economics from the 50s and 60s and do the high-taxes on the rich high-spending on infrastructure and society thing, support unions and workers' rights, keep the progressive social policies that have been implemented in the modern era, stop doing wars around the world, and respect the human rights of people in your country, and that's me 99% happy.
Whereas there are plenty of radicals who think "we should completely abolish the current capitalist and democratic system and all live in small communes..." or "we should abolish government and replace it with..." and that is definitely not me."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postcongress is already cancerously moderate, i'm not sure how much more moderate you think it can get, especially since Jones is just as much of an extremist as moore
what you don't seem to get is that the bulk of the country is "extremist" and getting increasingly tired of moderates whose sole purpose is to enrich themselves and their corporate masters
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