Should Al Franken Resign?

[Mountain Man]

I actually wasn't so sure. For all Starlight's talk about how righteous the Democrats are, they seem really good at the whole double standards thing.

I think this was a case of "too big to ignore".

Meanwhile, Franken remains bitterly defiant even as he tenders his resignation:

Source: Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...forced-resign/

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As the saying goes, don't go away mad, just go away.

[rogue06]

It is interesting to watch the democrats try to convince that, given this same 'national attitude', Clinton would have been impeached and gone.

I don't think that this "national attitude" would ever have happened if Hillary had been elected POTUS. Harvey Weinstein and Bill would have still been best buds, yucking it up and sharing a couple starlets. The media would have continued to bury stories that embarrassed Democrats and their most powerful supporters (which was what NBC et al. was initially doing with Weinstein). And there certainly wouldn't be this sudden epiphany among liberals that maybe, just, maybe they handled Bill Clinton's predations, and Hillary's sliming of any of the women who spoke up, all wrong.

[rogue06]

I think this was a case of "too big to ignore".

Meanwhile, Franken remains bitterly defiant even as he tenders his resignation:

Source: Breitbart

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...forced-resign/

© Copyright Original Source

As the saying goes, don't go away mad, just go away.

I heard his announcement that he intends to resign in a few weeks or so and boy oh boy I don't think I have ever heard anyone so bitter and full of self-pity.

[rogue06]

So some-one saying that Moore was not banned is, for you, enough to prove that Moore was not banned.

The one person who would know if a DA or assistant DA had been banned from a mall for stalking teenage girls would be the mall manager at that time. He would have been the one to issue the ban or at the very least signed off on it. Also telling is that absolutely nobody has stepped forward to corroborate the claim he was banned.

[Sparko]

Well I have always been for term limits for congress, so I guess all this is one way to accomplish cleaning out the old and bringing in the new. I guess we can call it, "porn limits"



Hey! Trump DID say he was going to build a wall and make the Mexicans pay for it...

and now he is draining the swamp and making the Democrats drain it themselves!

[Mountain Man]

The one person who would know if a DA or assistant DA had been banned from a mall for stalking teenage girls would be the mall manager at that time. He would have been the one to issue the ban or at the very least signed off on it. Also telling is that absolutely nobody has stepped forward to corroborate the claim he was banned.

This isn't about the evidence, it's about the accusations. That's the narrative that Democrats are desperately trying to establish here, that Conyers and Franken resigned in response to mere accusations and not because there was any evidence of guilt. Then they're going to point to the unproven accusations against Trump and Moore and say, "What about them?"

[rogue06]

This isn't about the evidence, it's about the accusations. That's the narrative that Democrats are desperately trying to establish here, that Conyers and Franken resigned in response to mere accusations and not because there was any evidence of guilt. Then they're going to point to the unproven accusations against Trump and Moore and say, "What about them?"

Except, at least in the case of Franken, there was indisputable evidence in the form of a photograph. And in the case of Moore the only evidence so far offered has been withheld from being examined.

[Mountain Man]

Except, at least in the case of Franken, there was indisputable evidence in the form of a photograph. And in the case of Moore the only evidence so far offered has been withheld from being examined.

That's why I said that Democrats are making this about the accusations and not the evidence.

[Teallaura]

Exactly how has that been proven false? It may be not proven true; it may be lacking evidence; it may be based on unreliable testimony; it might be considered false; it might be full of so many holes and discrepancies that it is almost certainly false; there may even be evidence that suggests that it is false. But I cannot think of a way in which it might be proven false.

You are overstating the case.

*emphasis mine

That one.

[Teallaura]

So some-one saying that Moore was not banned is, for you, enough to prove that Moore was not banned.

But some-one saying that Moore was banned is not enough to prove that Moore was banned.

Thanks for confirming that when you say something is a "proven" fact it means absolutely nothing.

You're losing a lost argument. The mall manager denies the thing - and there's no evidence other than the accusations to the affirmative. When probability approaches zero, it's time to give up the fight.

[Teallaura]

Unless they might have forgotten because it was forty years ago, or they might be getting senile, or they might have been bribed and are lying, or they might be deliberately forgetting because you're from out of town and it's none of your business, or you might be wrong about it being the manager (and the assistant manager never told the manager), or you might not have actually talked to the manager at all, or...

People make false claims for all sorts of reasons. If two people are making directly opposing claims, one of them is going to be wrong - and proving which requires more than just "the former mall manager said".

CCTV would be better.

Um, you realize all those points apply equally to the accusers, right?

[Teallaura]

I live across the lake in the Chicago area, but we go to the St. Joseph's region two or three times a year. Harbor country is lovely just about anytime, except January and February.

Nothing involving SNOW is ever LOVELY!!!

[Cow Poke]

Nothing involving SNOW is ever LOVELY!!!

It's SNOWING right now at my house in TEXAS!

[Teallaura]

It's SNOWING right now at my house in TEXAS!

You poor, poor thing!

[alaskazimm]

It's SNOWING right now at my house in TEXAS!

And it's NOT snowing right now at my house in ALASKA!