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Originally posted by JimL View PostFox News is the only poll having Jones ahead by 10 points. Fox, being an arm of the republican party, that's not hard to figure out. They want to make sure Moore supporters aren't complacent, that they don't take his victory for granted, and get out to vote.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...ones-6271.html
On a more pleasant note (for me), Trump has apparently hit a new low in HIS approval ratings at an aggregate of -20.4:
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...oval-6179.html
Even Rasmussen, a notoriously right-leaning polling source, has him down by 16.
I have truly high hopes for 2018/2020!
BTW - my high hopes are for balance. After 2008, I was cheering on many Republican candidates because the government was too skewed to the left. If we "over correct" again and the government shifts to mostly left leadership, I will be again cheering on some Republican candidates.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Approval ratings, as with most polls these days, are basically meaningless.
Even the Huffington Post has grudgingly admitted that Trump is winning, although they hilariously try to spin it by claiming that Trump's pro-America agenda is somehow really anti-America.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by lao tzu View PostIt's been notoriously difficult to figure what constitutes blasphemy on TWeb. Jesus didn't exist, God was a dragon, the Bible is a wheel, David was gay, none of those tripped the meter. Now, Jesus ...
Personally, I try to split the difference with blasphemy, a victimless crime against a being that shouldn't need human defenders, prosecutors, judges, or executioners in any case. I think of gods as more the "I've got this" type.
You'll never read about Zeus asking someone else to take care of Leda.
LGM was on my ignore list for years, until I spotted quotes of him tearing away at the other side with undiminished vim. He wasn't just ripping on Christians, he was going after pretentiousness. Remember who went after him. The accusation was a tad too convenient. Deb and I talked about it.
Alabama is voting today.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostApproval ratings, as with most polls these days, are basically meaningless.
Even the Huffington Post has grudgingly admitted that Trump is winning, although they hilariously try to spin it by claiming that Trump's pro-America agenda is somehow really anti-America.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe difference between those and LGM's over-the-line posts is the people who propounded those ideas seemed to genuinely believe them. LGM's inappropriate posts, OTOH, were filled with vitriolic mockery. He wasn't trying to defend, but destroy. Does that help?
...and the world is watching.
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostLGM is back? I remember him from years ago, and was under the impression he was permanently blocked...?"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
Even Rasmussen, a notoriously right-leaning polling source
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe most accurate of the major polls in 2016 IIRC.
Polling is in a state of flux right now, IMO. There are two many new variables that the pollers have not yet learned how to adjust for. The polls, for example, assume that people are going to answer honestly and correctly. But that assumption has been shown to be false when you compare the results of auto-polls with those that have a person conducting the poll.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostI thought he died. Who gave me that impression?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostPolling is in a state of flux right now, IMO. There are [too] many new variables that the pollers have not yet learned how to adjust for.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostI thought he died. Who gave me that impression?
The only atheists I recall offhand dying are win_ace, bandecoot, and formerfundy.Last edited by One Bad Pig; 12-12-2017, 02:21 PM.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThere's that, but you also have pollsters who deliberately skew things in favor of one agenda or another because they're trying to shape public opinion, not reflect it.
Second - much as I would like to deny that such is occurring, the range of polling is suspicious, especially when left-leaning sources have polls that lean left and right-leaning sources have polls that tend to lean right. Rasmussen is a good case in point - being off the "aggregate" to the right almost all the time. Quinnipiac is off the aggregate to the left almost all the time.
But there is another dynamic at play: the polling methodology. There is a clear difference between robo-polls and people-polls. There is a clear difference between polls that include cell phones and polls that exclude them. These are comparatively new dynamics and the pollsters do not yet seem to know how to adjust for them.
That is one of the reasons I tend to prefer using aggregators like FiveThirtyEight and RealClearPolitics. Their aggregate numbers, historically, have been some of the most accurate numbers out there. It's odd to me; it would seem to me the aggregate of flawed polls would be a flawed aggregate - but that's the lovely world of statistics for ya!The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostLGM is not back. I have no idea if he's still kicking or not. We gave a blanket amnesty to just about everybody when we rebooted, but he hasn't returned.
The only atheists I recall offhand dying are win_ace, bandecoot, and formerfundy.
Reminds me of a funeral I attended when I was in the seminary. I was standing at the back next to two priests and overhead a conversation between them.
"Did you know him well?" asked the first priest.
"Not really," said the second priest, "he was the friend of a parishioner."
"He was an atheist, you know." remarked the first priest.
"Not anymore," mumbled the second priest, under his breath.
I have to admit I had a great chuckle at that one...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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