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Originally posted by JimL View PostNope, you're confused Sparko. I didn't vote for Trump. And believe me, they don't come much more evil than Trump. Beware of wolves in sheeps clothing, or in other words beware of pathological liars, like Trump.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostBeware of wolves in sheeps clothing....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf you know that by doing nothing that the greater evil will win, then doing nothing is the same as choosing the greater evil.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAbortion is a neutral issue for me.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou voted for Hillary, who was a known criminal and liar at the time.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostHe's not, as far as I can tell, really pro-life. Most of his talking points on the subject line up closer to the sort of things you regularly hear pro-choicers say. So, for instance, often times you'll hear pro-choicers agree that they'd rather less abortion in this nation, and that abortion should be a last ditch effort, and that's why we should support places like Planned Parenthood.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou voted for Hillary, who was a known criminal and liar at the time.
I do think she was a stupid choice for a candidate. I do think she is unwise and a poor politician in many respects. I think she skates too close to the ethical line too often, and is too prone to play things "close to the vest" and to engage in deception as a self-protection mechanism. I find some of her ethical choices questionable (i.e., her responses to the people accusing her husband, her choices with regards to the revealed debate questions, etc.) and I find some of her common-sense choices questionable (e.g., her failure to surround herself with ethical people, and with people who had the knowledge she lacked), and I found some of her political choices questionable (her relationship to the DNC during the primaries, etc.).
I found her a better choice than Trump because of the many negative characteristics Trump brought to the table, both personally and professionally, and because I find Trump to be an unethical, repugnant, unscrupulous person in the extreme. Is he evil? I don't tend to characterize people that way. Let's just say his personal flaws are so eggregious he is a hazard in the highest office in the land, IMO.
In terms of cababilities to serve as commander is chief, I agree with the general assessment that Ms. Clinton had more experience, more expertise, and a more suitable temperament than the buffoon currently occupying that office.Last edited by carpedm9587; 12-11-2017, 11:27 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI am both "pro-life" and "pro-choice." The two positions have been painted as mutually exclusive, which is what I have been saying is the problem. I defend both the child's right to live, and the woman's right to choose. That is why I believe solutions need to be put in place that impact what happens BEFORE that choice has to be made. It is the only way I know of to avoid the dilemma abortion represents. I suspect we ALL say there should be less abortion. The "pro-life" people simply take "less" to its ultimate limit and say there should be NO abortion. I agree - there should be no abortion.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostYou're not pro-life. Not as most people understand the concept, at any rate. You're using the term idiosyncratically, in much the same way you've been using so many other words on the forum since your return. Your view generally lines up with the pro-choice view as I've heard many pro-choicers put it. Many of the pro-choicers I know also believe that there should be no abortions. They believe that keeping abortion legal and supporting Planned Parenthood is the way to get there.
If it's any consolation - the "pro-choice" camp doesn't think I am "pro-choice" either - they relegate me to the "pro-life" camp.
That dynamic - from both sides - is very interesting. Yes - I am using the term ideosyncratically - because I refuse to accept that one cannot be both pro-life AND pro-choice. One can be both by recognizing the catch-22 this issue represents. There IS a middle ground we can work in to achieve the reduction of carnage. As soon as more people are willing - we might even make progress.Last edited by carpedm9587; 12-11-2017, 11:33 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo. She was accused - and every investigation ever had by every official body found either no cause to indict or insufficient evidence for conviction.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostObviously you're an idiot. No surprise!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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