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[Mountain Man]

CNN is a reputable news source that attempts to present balanced reporting and commentary.

Oh, you can't be serious.

Here are just a few threads from this very forum documenting CNN's disrepute:

CNN makes up easily disproved lies about Trump (including edited video)

CNN Caught Lying Again!

CNN and Fake News

CNN: More Fake News and a Dash of Racism

Any interested party can find countless other examples through a simple internet search.

[One Bad Pig]

Imitation is rhe sincerest form of flattery.

[Cow Poke]

CNN is a reputable news source ....

This explains a lot about your warped worldview.

[JonathanL]

"CNN exists" is probably the most non-negative statement about CNN that doesn't include a falsehood.

[Mountain Man]

And speaking of CNN, "journalist" Jake Tapper speciously claimed that "Allahu Akbar" means, simply, "God is great" and that's it's an innocuous expression that is "sometimes said under the most beautiful of circumstances". Of course what it really means is "Allah is greater" and is said by Muslims asserting the dominance of their religion, particularly during terrorist attacks.

But, please, tell me again how "CNN is a reputable news source".

[Cerebrum123]

And speaking of CNN, "journalist" Jake Tapper speciously claimed that "Allahu Akbar" means, simply, "God is great" and that's it's an innocuous expression that is "sometimes said under the most beautiful of circumstances". Of course what it really means is "Allah is greater" and is said by Muslims asserting the dominance of their religion, particularly during terrorist attacks.

But, please, tell me again how "CNN is a reputable news source".

It was also Mohammed's war cry. He would go out and find a city during the night, wait until morning, and if he heard the Adhan he wouldn't attack. If he didn't hear it, he would charge into battle screaming "Allahu Akbar!".

[rogue06]

You don't need any interpretation but can read for yourself what gay leaders at the time said about the split.

Once again (because for some odd reason you steadfastly refuse to respond to the evidence presented but instead repeatedly choose to sit back and mumble "nuh-uh") I'll re-post the things said by various leading representatives of the gay community said

Really?

It's roots are much deeper. From Journal of Homosexuality in 1991:

Source: Man/Boy Love and the American Gay Movement

Abstract

The issue of man/boy love has intersected the gay movement since the late nineteenth century, with the rise of the first gay rights movement in Germany. In the United States, as the gay movement has retreated from its vision of sexual freedom for all in favor of integration into existing social and political structures, it has sought to marginalize cross-generational love as a "non-gay" issue. The two movements continue to overlap, amid signs of mutual support as well as tension - a state of affairs that also characterizes their interrelationship in other countries. This article offers an overview and analysis of that interrelationship in the United States since the Stonewall Riots in New York City in June 1969, which marked the beginning of a reinvigorated struggle for gay liberation.

© Copyright Original Source

And from your source:

Your only defense was to say that NAMBLA got booted out of participating in events like some gay pride marches^[1] conveniently overlooking the fact that they were part of, and the founder of NAMBLA, David Thorstad, had even been invited to be the keynote speaker at. Then the leaders of the gay rights movement realized that they had to jettison their longtime allies if they ever were going to succeed in normalizing gay behavior.

That they had marched arm-and-arm together for quite some time is attested to by the International Lesbian and Gay Association (ILGA) acknowledgement that NAMBLA played an integral part of the gay rights movement for at least a decade stating in 1994.

NAMBLA has been a member of the International Lesbian and Gay Association for 10 years. We've been continuously active in ILGA longer than any other US organization. NAMBLA delegates to ILGA helped write ILGA's constitution, its official positions on the sexual rights of youth, and its stands against sexual coercion and corporal punishment. We are proud of our contributions in making ILGA a stronger voice for the international gay and lesbian movement and for sexual justice.

In spite of this proud history, four of ILGA's six secretariats, meeting in New York, November 5-7, have request NAMBLA to resign and stated that they will seek its expulsion by the general membership this summer unless it complies.

IOW, NAMBLA had been a member in good standing of ILGA, and only after that latter group sought consultative status with the United Nations, were accepted and then suspended when their close relationship with NAMBLA was discovered, were they tossed aside, as the gay rights magazine The Advocate describes it, "revoking NAMBLA's ten-year membership in the worldwide group."

Oops.

In fact NAMBLA arose out of the the "Boston-Boise Committee," which was a gay rights organization, and their reaction to the arrest of 24 men for having sex with minors during a raid on a house in the late 70s (which they termed the "Boston witchunt"), in order to promote solidarity among gay men, declaring in an official leaflet that:"The Gay Community Fights Back" and "The closet is weak. There is strength in unity and openness."

And as I've previously noted there were many outspoken prominent gay activists who were upset with this and refused to throw their comrades under the bus such as the poet Allen Ginsberg with his "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics, witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance" remark. And prominent American gay rights activist, Harry Hay, sometimes referred to as the "Father of Gay Liberation" wearing his "NAMBLA walks with me" sign at the 1986 Los Angeles Gay Pride Parade after NAMBLA was excluded.

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Even more telling were his remarks at the 1983 NAMBLA conference in New York where he proclaimed:

"If the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world"

Need more or are you still in denial?

How about Michael Kearns' 1988 article "Men Loving Boys" in the Los Angeles gay magazine Edge where he said that

"Discrimination among ourselves is profoundly self destructive. NAMBLA deserves to be heard and respected"

"Respected"?

In the Bay Area Reporter (BAR -- the oldest as well as one of the largest circulation pro-gay newspapers by circulation in the United States), Steve Hanson declared in a 1992 article "Shame on Us":

"Shame on us if our lesbian/gay voices remain silent while our NAMBLA brothers are persecuted once again, and shame on those lesbians and gay men who will raise their voices to condemn NAMBLA, insisting that boy lovers (and presumably the boys they love and who love them) are not part of this thing called the lesbian/gay community."

Scott O'Hara (real name John Robert Scott), the gay porno actor and activist who published the quarterly gay sex magazine Steam wrote

"In the efforts of the gay establishment to suppress NAMBLA I see the seeds of tyranny."

James Lynn 'Jim' Kepner, regarded as a pioneer of the U.S. gay rights movement, curator of the International Gay and Lesbian Archives in Los Angeles which became a major part of ONE National Gay & Lesbian Archives (called the premier source for gay and lesbian research), wrote



In his 1991 book The Big Gay Book: A Man's Survival Guide for the 90s, John D. Preston, described as a pioneer in the early gay rights movement in Minneapolis, Minnesota who helped found one of the earliest gay community centers in the United States, was still promoting NAMBLA when he tells his readers

"Sex between youths and adults is one of the most difficult issues in the gay movement. When does a youngster have the right and the power to make his own sexual decisions? How are laws against intergenerational sex used specifically to target gay men? What are the issues that make the romantic image of the Greek teacher and his student in times of antiquity turn into something ugly and forbidden in the modern age? If you want to explore these issues, NAMBLA is the organization that will supply you with brochures, thought-provoking books and booklets."

Around the same time the founder of the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT-UP) was blaming the victims of pedophiles in order to justify it as recounted in Reports from the Holocaust: The Story of an AIDS Activist a book about on AIDS activism and gay rights:

"In those cases where children do have sex with their homosexual elders... I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it, either because of a natural curiosity."

Likewise the French philosopher Michel Foucault with an apparent fondness for the sado-masochistic gay scene, made similar claims

"It is quite difficult to lay down barriers [particularly since] it could be that the child, with his own sexuality, may have desired the adult."

Samuel Delany, a noted Science Fiction author who has won 4 Nebula and 2 Hugo awards, and an outspoken gay activist wrote in the Queer Desires Forum in 1994:

*Mild language warning*

"I read The NAMBLA Bulletin fairly regularly and I think it is one of the most intelligent discussions of sexuality I've ever found. ... Before you start judging what NAMBLA is about, expose yourself to it and see what it is really about, the issues they are really talking about; and deal with what's really there rather than this demonized notion of guys running about trying to screw little boys. I would have been so much happier as an adolescent if NAMBLA had been around when I was 9, 10, 11, 12, 13."

In a 1994 issue of the national gay magazine 10 Percent Magazine, one of NAMBLA's founders boasted, David Thorstad boasted

"If it weren't for us [pedophiles], there wouldn't be a gay movement. If the leaders of the gay movement today want to turn their backs on the spirit of gay liberation, f- them. We're speaking the truth, and the truth is that man boy love is a central part of gay liberation, and it is a central feature of homosexuality in the West."

ETA: And, btw, I cannot help but notice how you always overlooked this part of my original post when it is brought up

And the 1972 Gay Rights Platform, created at the National Coalition of Gay Organizations Convention (represented by some 200 gay rights groups) held in Chicago of that year, called for "Repeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent" (#7 of actions to be taken at the state level). To the best of my knowledge, none of the organizations involved or their successors have ever repudiated this platform including the call to eliminate an age of consent.

To add to that back in 1984 a Philadelphia bookstore sold a book entitled How to Have Sex With Kids by the Howard Nichols Society (run by David Sonenschein, a former consultant to the 1970 Presidential Committee on Obscenity and Pornography!), which included instructions on how to both entice and kidnap small children, how to have sex with them, and even how to intimidate and threaten them into silence. The gay community proclaimed that the book was protected by the First Amendment and generally refused to either disavow the contents of the book or to criticize the writers, publishers, or distributors of it.







1. After being disinvited for political expediency NAMBLA was nevertheless still invited to participate in other gay pride marches such as the Spirit of Stonewall (SOS) parade. Long time gay activist and civil libertarian Bill Dobbs was extremely vocal in his defense of their participation.

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NAMBLA at the SOS parade

[rogue06]

CNN is a reputable news source that attempts to present balanced reporting and commentary.

Many of the liberals I know view what CNN reports with a good deal of skepticism.

[rogue06]

And speaking of CNN, "journalist" Jake Tapper speciously claimed that "Allahu Akbar" means, simply, "God is great" and that's it's an innocuous expression that is "sometimes said under the most beautiful of circumstances". Of course what it really means is "Allah is greater" and is said by Muslims asserting the dominance of their religion, particularly during terrorist attacks.

But, please, tell me again how "CNN is a reputable news source".

I have no doubt that devout Muslims have expressed it in much the same way as a Christian does when he says something like "Good is good" or "Jesus is my Lord and Savior." But when a non-Muslim hears a Muslim shouting "Allahu Akbar" -- especially in the last few decades -- more often than not it is accompanied by wanton violence.

[Cow Poke]

I have no doubt that devout Muslims have expressed it in much the same way as a Christian does when he says something like "Good is good" or "Jesus is my Lord and Savior." But when a non-Muslim hears a Muslim shouting "Allahu Akbar" -- especially in the last few decades -- more often than not it is accompanied by wanton violence.

It is akin to WWII vets hearing "Tora Tora Tora".

[Tassman]

You don't need any interpretation but can read for yourself what gay leaders at the time said about the split.

Once again (because for some odd reason you steadfastly refuse to respond to the evidence presented but instead repeatedly choose to sit back and mumble "nuh-uh") I'll re-post the things said by various leading representatives of the gay community said

Sigh!

Whatever connections (such as they were) NAMBLA may once have had with the LGBT movement, it doesn't have them now. And there are no grounds whatsoever for your previous "suspicion" that given half a chance NAMBLA will be welcomed back into its embrace.



https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7...ened-to-nambla

And there is NO suggestion that they will be resumed.

[Adrift]

Sigh!

Whatever connections (such as they were) NAMBLA may once have had with the LGBT movement, it doesn't have them now. And there are no grounds whatsoever for your previous "suspicion" that given half a chance NAMBLA will be welcomed back into its embrace.



https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/7...ened-to-nambla

And there is NO suggestion that they will be resumed.

You do admit, however, that NAMBLA was at one point connected to the LGBT movement, correct? And relatively recently at that...right?

[Tassman]

You do admit, however, that NAMBLA was at one point connected to the LGBT movement, correct? And relatively recently at that...right?

The relevant point, despite the dishonest Evangelical narrative so the contrary, is that most adults of whatever sexual orientation despise adults who have sex with kids.

[Adrift]

The relevant point, despite the dishonest Evangelical narrative so the contrary, is that most adults of whatever sexual orientation despise adults who have sex with kids.

But you do admit, however, that despite the so-called "Evangelical narrative", that NAMBLA was at one point connected to the LGBT movement, correct? And relatively recently at that...right?

[Mountain Man]

But you do admit, however, that despite the so-called "Evangelical narrative", that NAMBLA was at one point connected to the LGBT movement, correct? And relatively recently at that...right?

The dirty secret is that they're still connected, they just keep the connection on the down-low for the sake of expediency.