Triumph of Trump: NFL kneeling

[rogue06]

Typical liberal reaction to when the public is repulsed by their actions. The public is just too stupid to understand.

[demi-conservative]

I am surprised and disappointed by the reaction. It's not just the far left fringe that is not undergoing jingoistic apoplexy. The libertarian fringe, which is closer to my perspective, also is not particularly offended.

Until now, I had not realized the gap between conservative and libertarian was so wide on such issues.

Libertarians don't care much about loyalty. News at 11!!!

[demi-conservative]

MLK was way smarter than the current flock of "rebels".

Yes, he kept commieness of his more hidden.

[rogue06]

To be fair, MLK was dealing with a pretty racist country that wouldn't have put up with this kind of thing. As in, there would have been violence over these stunts.

You mean like the violent reaction to the Olympic athletes who gave the black power salute during an award ceremony in Mexico City as the American national anthem was played? Oh wait.

[Darth Executor]

You mean like the violent reaction to the Olympic athletes who gave the black power salute during an award ceremony in Mexico City as the American national anthem was played? Oh wait.

In a foreign country. And even there they had things thrown at them and their careers ended over it.

[rogue06]

In a foreign country.

In a way that makes it worse.

And even there they had things thrown at them and their careers ended over it.

Not too many careers running a 200 meter race

[Darth Executor]

In a way that makes it worse.

It makes it much harder for thugs to start stuff there since I doubt most could even afford plane tickets to Mexico. The crowd there was considerably more enraged and engaged than today, where at best they might not come to future games.

Not too many careers running a 200 meter race

If you're not top tier, no. But that's not applicable here.

[rogue06]

It makes it much harder for thugs to start stuff there since I doubt most could even afford plane tickets to Mexico. The crowd there was considerably more enraged and engaged than today, where at best they might not come to future games.

It has long been considered more egregious to go to foreign soil to protest the U.S. than to do so here.

If you're not top tier, no. But that's not applicable here.

How many jobs are there running 200 meters for top tier runners -- especially in 1968?

You're the one who said it ended their "careers."

[Tassman]

Typical liberal reaction to when the public is repulsed by their actions. The public is just too stupid to understand.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-how-you-ask/

Also, they tend not to be the victims of police violence and racism, whereas the blacks are.

MLK was way smarter than the current flock of "rebels". You must have flunked history badly. MLK did nothing to disgrace his country or our flag.

[rogue06]

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...n-how-you-ask/

Also, they tend not

Sorry Tass. I know you are really desperate to pretend its just a bunch of Hillary's basket of deplorables who were repulsed by the multi-millionaire athlete's petulance but several polls revealed that by a 2 to 1 margin the American public opposes them in this. That was why the MSM tried so darn hard to spike the story (and in some cases their own polls) claiming that the public was "divided" and such and only mentioning that they also rejected Trump interjecting himself into the controversy.

And again, multiple studies have repeatedly shown that a white person is considerably more likely to be shot and killed in a confrontation with police than a black person resulting in more research trying to explain why this is the case^[1]. So much for victims of police racism especially considering that your racist police are often black.








1. prominent explanations are that the police are more restrained in dealing with blacks knowing how it gets portrayed to the police in predominantly white areas don't have as much experience handling aggressively hostile people and tend to over-react.

[NorrinRadd]

Libertarians don't care much about loyalty. News at 11!!!

Most of my best real-life friends are Republican, conservative, and evangelical (or Pentecostal).

A lot of my family is Democrat, moderate, and Lutheran (ELCA).

I don't know that I have any real-life libertarian associates. Even I myself am more conservatarian than libertarian, once my foreign policy attitudes are considered.

I said all that to set this up: Most of what I know about libertarians comes from TV and the Internet. ISTM that in general, libertarians have loyalty or fidelity to their beliefs. Those beliefs include a high regard for individual conscience, and a low regard for collectivism, and for authority structures that would restrict individual conscience. Those latter things could be viewed by some as a lack of "loyalty." I'm not sure libertarians themselves would see them as such, just as many do not see the kneelers as being unpatriotic or disrespectful.

[Tassman]

Sorry Tass. I know you are really desperate to pretend its just a bunch of Hillary's basket of deplorables who were repulsed by the multi-millionaire athlete's petulance

Interesting that you dismiss their stated intention

but several polls revealed that by a 2 to 1 margin the American public opposes them in this. That was why the MSM tried so darn hard to spike the story (and in some cases their own polls) claiming that the public was "divided" and such and only mentioning that they also rejected Trump interjecting himself into the controversy.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...-nfl-protests/

And again, multiple studies have repeatedly shown that a white person is considerably more likely to be shot and killed in a confrontation with police than a black person resulting in more research trying to explain why this is the case^[1]. So much for victims of police racism especially considering that your racist police are often black.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...led-by-police/

[Mountain Man]

Yes, let's ignore the multiple studies showing that blacks are disproportionately more likely to engage in criminal activity, that blacks are more likely to be armed, and that blacks are more likely to take a shot at police, yet despite all this, it's WHITES who are disproportionately more likely to be shot by police.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5...-aaron-bandler

[Roy]

Yes, let's ignore the multiple studies showing that blacks are disproportionately more likely to engage in criminal activity, that blacks are more likely to be armed, and that blacks are more likely to take a shot at police, yet despite all this, it's WHITES who are disproportionately more likely to be shot by police.

What your source actually says:

Source: http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

According to data compiled by The Washington Post, 50 percent of the victims of fatal police shootings were white, while 26 percent were black. ... Some may argue that these statistics are evidence of racist treatment toward blacks, since whites consist of 62 percent of the population and blacks make up 13 percent of the population.

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So whites are disproportionately less likely to be shot by police, 50% vs 62%.

[Cow Poke]

Yup, they are.

He was successful. They're wrong. They are "all about me", pretending to be for a cause. It's not working. It's bringing attention to THEMSELVES, not any cause. You even have some of your less intelligent colleagues claiming they're "saving lives".

You guys are deranged.