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Originally posted by seer View PostThat is exactly why we have the freedom of speech, to protect even offensive speech. The people I mentioned are just run of the mill Conservatives, yet they were prevented to speak. And that is the problem, who decides what speech is allowable. Shut down Hitler today, and Heather MacDonald tomorrow. To the left Milos Yiannopoulos is as dangerous as a Hitler. No, I don't want you or the Government deciding what speech is acceptable.[
Yes, there are a lot of sheep in those countries, but I am an American.
Thankfully I live in a country where a man can rise as high as he chooses according to his merit.
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostThey were prevented because they want to promote policies that will cause real harm to social minorities. How do you expect people to respond when a speaker is given a platform near them to possibly advocate for, in ultimate effect, their death? By the way, the government already decides what speech is acceptable through the famously nebulous "obscenity" exception.
Doesn't change the fact that there's no doom and gloom there. You're worrying about nothing.
That's certainly not the USA.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostTake an extreme and hypobolic example: imagine that Hitler is coming to speak at your college in the early 1920s about the dangers of the Jewish people. Would it be fascist to disrupt his speech, even without knowing where his career was headed? I certainly don't think so. Anyone stopping him would be allying him or herself with the plight of the Jewish people and against the threat of fascism. So clearly in some circumstances speech abridgment isn't fascist. I don't know a few of those people, but for the ones that I do know, I think their speeches would be applicable circumstances.
I know you mean those to be terrifying things, but they already happened in other countries and they don't live in a fascist state. Those countries are still just like the US. There were no real consequences.
On the other hand, countries where they legally codify ideas like giving as much power as possible to the wealthy or limiting the rights of minorities don't turn out very well.
The whole purpose of the first amendment is to protect the speech that you might find offensive. There is no reason to protect speech that everyone agrees with.
So yes, if Hitler was an american and wanted to give a public speech, then he is allowed under the first amendment to do so. Just like the KKK is allowed to do so now. You can use your free speech to oppose him. But you are not allowed to stop him from speaking using violence or force. Especially if you are representing the government.
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Originally posted by Leonhard View PostJust because humans don't exist in biological races (something we've known solidly since at least the fifties), doesn't mean that there's no such thing as ethnicity and culture, and people getting unfairly treated, and a history of such things. It just means that race is a social construction. Doesn't mean racism isn't real. It just means its something done by people for people reasons.
1. You want there to be no races and still be races. Whether you want to call them "races" or "Ethnicities" or "Socio-economic divisions" or "cultures" it is the same thing. The "there is no such thing as biological races" is just a distraction. It's a way to have your cake and eat it too.
2. There are actually physical differences between races that anyone who is not blind can recognize. You can tell an Asian from a Caucasion from a Negroid. Anthropologists can tell the difference by the shape of the skull and teeth. Sure there are blends between them and it isn't based on purely skin color. But saying there is no such thing as biological races just because there are no clear cut lines is like saying there is no such thing as colors because there are no distinct lines in a rainbow.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostA great example of fascism from the liberal utopia known as California. I hope our resident low-information morons appreciate the irony:
In other words, California wants to throw people in jail for exercising their right to free speech. Isn't that wonderful? And yet liberals are wetting their diapers over what the "alt-right" might be up to.
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Originally posted by JimLamebrain View PostObviously neither you, nor your favorite fake news site, know what Fascism is.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by JimL View PostObviously neither you, nor your favorite fake news site, know what Fascism is.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostTons of communist countries did that too, were they fascist? No, of course not (fascists actually despised communists). Sure, suppression of free speech is part of fascism, but it's part of authoritarianism/totalitarianism in general, of which fascism is just one example.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostFascism and communism are quite similar; it's one reason why they hate each other so much. Same tactics, slightly different ideologies; communism is also authoritarian and militarist. Il Duce was a communist in his youth."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThis is a libertarian view which makes no sense because overwhelming majority of people don't view things in libertarian terms. Just because they are both authoritarian and militaristic doesn't mean they are similar in any meaningful way.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostLet's see: the two common examples for fascism are Nazism and Italy under Il Duce. Mussolini started out as a communist, had a falling out, and ended up fascist.
Hitler started the National SOCIALIST Party.
Communism is a flavor of socialism. Yeah, huge difference there."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostTons of communist countries did that too, were they fascist? No, of course not (fascists actually despised communists). Sure, suppression of free speech is part of fascism, but it's part of authoritarianism/totalitarianism in general, of which fascism is just one example.
Except that's not the definition of fascism. Again, fascism may have involved suppression of speech, but it was also extremely militarist and nationalist (not the case here) and was also quite conservative in regards to sexual mores, which is exactly the opposite of this edict.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostTons of communist countries did that too, were they fascist? No, of course not (fascists actually despised communists). Sure, suppression of free speech is part of fascism, but it's part of authoritarianism/totalitarianism in general, of which fascism is just one example.
Except that's not the definition of fascism. Again, fascism may have involved suppression of speech, but it was also extremely militarist and nationalist (not the case here) and was also quite conservative in regards to sexual mores, which is exactly the opposite of this edict."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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