Abrams calls for removal of Confederate faces off Stone Mountain

[Darth Executor]

Some intimidation is free speech. Virtually all public displays involving lots of people are "intimidation". By this standard the Women's March was criminal because of the crowd sizes and because the women in question have slaughtered tens of millions of unborn children. In fact calls for abortion are themselves incitement to violence and if free speech is done away with like you want pro-choicers will hopefully be the first whose murderous mouths are shut.

[Tassman]

Some intimidation is free speech. Virtually all public displays involving lots of people are "intimidation".

Your position might be stronger if it were not for the fact that most people don't agree with it. "Republican lawmakers this weekend took President Donald Trump to task over what they deemed a weak response to white supremacist groups and violent clashes in Charlottesville..." (Politico.) Plus Trump's two business advisory groups fell apart because of his remarks on Charlottesville. One can hardly accuse business leaders of being "PC socialist dupes."

[rogue06]

Some intimidation is free speech. Virtually all public displays involving lots of people are "intimidation". By this standard the Women's March was criminal because of the crowd sizes and because the women in question have slaughtered tens of millions of unborn children.

And when a has-been musician who likes to collect/adopt African children as trophies gets up on the speaker's platform at the Washington D.C. platform and talks about wanting to bomb the White House, that, as repugnant as it is, is also free speech.

[rogue06]

Your position might be stronger if it were not for the fact that most people don't agree with it. "Republican lawmakers this weekend took President Donald Trump to task over what they deemed a weak response to white supremacist groups and violent clashes in Charlottesville..." (Politico.) Plus Trump's two business advisory groups fell apart because of his remarks on Charlottesville. One can hardly accuse business leaders of being "PC socialist dupes."

They're politicians knew full well how the media would twist what he said (The New York Times had to issue five separate corrections for misquoting Trump) and didn't want to spend the next election or two defending themselves against a media onslaught of charges of being pro-racist. Just practical politics.

[Tassman]

They're politicians knew full well how the media would twist what he said (The New York Times had to issue five separate corrections for misquoting Trump) and didn't want to spend the next election or two defending themselves against a media onslaught of charges of being pro-racist. Just practical politics.

[Jedidiah]

I finally understand why our lefty loonies see a refusal to condemn the white supremacists and praise the antifa and BLM as support for white supremacists. They do support antifa and BLM rioters and condemn only the white supremacists. Thus anyone who condemns both is condemning their sacred cow along with the bad guys. Thus they see it as support for white supreme behavior since they do hold exactly the opposite position. They do support antifa and condemn white supremacists. This has been a blind spot for me. I could not understand since I condemn both groups.

[Bill the Cat]

Yes, and you have all, as you always do, without evidence, automatically jump to the defense of the hate groups by claiming that the violence was started by the counter protesters. One could argue that hate speech is a form of violence in and of itself. It isn't physical violence, but it is an attack and a threat to the targets of the white supremacists hatred.

Again, Jim, were you there?

[Bill the Cat]

If the burning cross is on private property, it is free speech. If on public property, they have to have an outdoor burn permit. Otherwise, starting an uncontained fire larger than a campfire in public without a permit is a class 5 misdemeanor.

[Bill the Cat]

We all heard what Trump said...live and unedited.

Yet you STILL can't get it right...

If Duke said mayonnaise is a good condiment because it is white, does that automatically mean it is bad, and that any mayonnaise eaters are racists? That's about the level of stupid you are bringing up here.

Trump is protecting his dwindling white base.

Trump is trying to run a country. He's getting ZERO help from the drive-by media.

[Psychic Missile]

If the burning cross is on private property, it is free speech. If on public property, they have to have an outdoor burn permit. Otherwise, starting an uncontained fire larger than a campfire in public without a permit is a class 5 misdemeanor.

Burning a cross for the purpose of intimidation is illegal in the US.

[Sparko]

Yes, and you have all, as you always do, without evidence, automatically jump to the defense of the hate groups by claiming that the violence was started by the counter protesters. One could argue that hate speech is a form of violence in and of itself. It isn't physical violence, but it is an attack and a threat to the targets of the white supremacists hatred.

JimL your typical liberal strategy of trying to shame your opponent by accusing them of being some horrible racist bigot so they are on the defensive isn't going to work here on theologyweb. We don't fall for such juvenile tactics here. You are the ones who have been ignoring antifa and left violence and refusing to condemn them and actually promoting that violence is a good solution when someone does not agree with you. Remember Starlight defending punching Nazis? And here you are trying to justify physical violence by claiming that hate speech is violence. No it isn't. Whether from the left or right. It is not violence. Violence is physical. Trying to characterize words as violence is another left strategy, like the feminists who call speech "rape"

This country has a constitution that allows free speech. That means speech from people you don't agree with. And hate speech. If you are so against hate speech then why haven't you condemned the left who speaks hate speech all the time? What about when a senator said she wanted Trump assassinated? Wasn't that hate speech? Under your "rules" she should have been beat up with a baseball bat, right? Or when Kathy Griffin held up a decapitated head of Trump. Why didn't you advocate beating the snot out of her?

If anyone is inconsistent here, it is you, Tassman, and Starlight. You want to accuse us of being Nazis because we want to protect Free Speech - for everyone? How insane is that? You want to limit or shut down free speech and call US fascists?

We all know who the fascists are around here and it ain't the conservatives.

[One Bad Pig]

Burning a cross for the purpose of intimidation is illegal in the US.

How is burning a cross on one's own property intimidation?

[One Bad Pig]

JimL your typical liberal strategy of trying to shame your opponent by accusing them of being some horrible racist bigot so they are on the defensive isn't going to work here on theologyweb.

I suspect that if they had another strategy, they'd use it.

Their rhetoric is so wide of the mark I don't even find it insulting.

[Sparko]

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[Sparko]

If the burning cross is on private property, it is free speech. If on public property, they have to have an outdoor burn permit. Otherwise, starting an uncontained fire larger than a campfire in public without a permit is a class 5 misdemeanor.

clarification: if it is on THEIR private property it's free speech. If they burn a cross on someone else's property, then it is intimidation and illegal.