Abrams calls for removal of Confederate faces off Stone Mountain

[Jedidiah]

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[rogue06]

And it has spread beyond statues of Confederate soldiers.

In Maryland a statue of U.S. Supreme Court Chief Justice Roger B. Taney^[1], who in 1857 authored the notorious Dred Scott decision (which declared that since Scott was not a citizen he could not sue in federal court as well as the federal government did not have the power to free slaves brought into federal territories because of the 5th Amendment's "Due Process" clause) the grounds of the Maryland State House in Annapolis.

There are calls for the a 16' tall bronze statue of Vladimir Lenin in Seattle, Washington to be removed and interesting some of the area's liberals oppose this showing up with pro-Lenin signs and saying that the statue inspires discussion about art and history.

A statue of Jeanne d'Arc (Joan of Arc) in the French Quarter of New Orleans was vandalized with the phrase "Tear it down" scrawled on it in black spray paint.

In Chicago, a 3' tall bust of Abraham Lincoln, author of the Emancipation Proclamation and an avid abolitionist (his election as president as seen as being the primary reason many of the slaveholding states seceded), was vandalized twice in the last month

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And now the horse ridden by the University of Southern California's mascot (a Trojan warrior), which is named Traveler, is being attacked as a racist symbol because Robert E. Lee's horse was named Traveller. Aside from the difference in spelling and a 2005 Associated Press story noted that the similarity of the name with Lee's horse was "merely coincidental."



1. He had been Andrew Jackson's, considered the co-founder of the Democrat Party, Attorney General before being appointed by him to be Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

[Tassman]

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Because they were not the focus of violent Nazi, Antisemitic hate groups when Obama was in power. Back then, they had to make do with birther-ism and other less violent racist ploys.

And it has spread beyond statues of Confederate soldiers.

Sigh!

Where would you lot be without the slippery slope fallacy to invoke whenever a new law or decision is made of which you disapprove?

[lilpixieofterror]

Because they were not the focus of violent Nazi, Antisemitic hate groups when Obama was in power. Back then, they had to make do with birther-ism and other less violent racist ploys.



Sigh!

Where would you lot be without the slippery slope fallacy to invoke whenever a new law or decision is made of which you disapprove?

Islam has been a focial point of terrorism, so anyone want to guess when Tazzy and his buddies here will propose to tear down all the mosques?

[rogue06]

Sigh!

Where would you lot be without the slippery slope fallacy to invoke whenever a new law or decision is made of which you disapprove?

So in your little world the hysteria hasn't spread to attacks on other things including statues of Joan of Arc and even Abraham Lincoln. There isn't a former candidate for the Democrat presidential nomination for president and host of a TV show calling for the removal of the Jefferson memorial. Left wing publications aren't calling for Mount Rushmore to be blown up.

Meanwhile, after Seattle's mayor remarked that the statue of Vladimir Lenin (a brutal communist tyrant who personally ordered the killing of local groups of "class enemy" hostages numbering into several thousand) should go, some of the area's liberals announced opposition to such a move and showed up with pro-Lenin signs and saying that the statue inspires discussion about art and history.

[Jedidiah]

Because they were not the focus of violent Nazi, Antisemitic hate groups when Obama was in power. Back then, they had to make do with birther-ism and other less violent racist ploys.

This is totally irrational.

[Leonhard]

This is totally irrational.

In his defense birtherism seemed incredible widespread between conservatives, even here. I remember having a conversation even with someone as level headed as ApologiaNick who still thought there was something hidden 'in the long form'.

[Leonhard]

Some of those statues that were put up in the 60ies during the race riots at worst should have been put in a museum displayed in a proper context about racial wars, beyond that I don't get this desire to destroy them.

I condemn the alt-right groups on march in Charlottesville, whether KKK, white-supremacist, or neo-nazi. I also condemn the violence shown by a small minority of the leftists members there. I also think its abhorrent that the only comments about what happened there you usually find from evangelical conservatives is what actions the lefts might have done, not the glaring racism on full display.

The evangelicals leaders should stop being silent and publically condemn those alt-right, joining the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic bishops in doing so.

[Tassman]

So in your little world the hysteria hasn't spread to attacks on other things including statues of Joan of Arc and even Abraham Lincoln. There isn't a former candidate for the Democrat presidential nomination for president and host of a TV show calling for the removal of the Jefferson memorial. Left wing publications aren't calling for Mount Rushmore to be blown up.

Meanwhile, after Seattle's mayor remarked that the statue of Vladimir Lenin (a brutal communist tyrant who personally ordered the killing of local groups of "class enemy" hostages numbering into several thousand) should go, some of the area's liberals announced opposition to such a move and showed up with pro-Lenin signs and saying that the statue inspires discussion about art and history.

All of this is a diversion from the fact that Charlottesville was the centre of highly organised Alt-Right violence engendered by KKK White Supremacists protesters chanting Antisemitic and fascist slogans. This whilst protesting the removal of a statue that celebrates white supremacy and the retention of slavery. This is what's concerning.

[MaxVel]

Some of those statues that were put up in the 60ies during the race riots at worst should have been put in a museum displayed in a proper context about racial wars, beyond that I don't get this desire to destroy them.

I condemn the alt-right groups on march in Charlottesville, whether KKK, white-supremacist, or neo-nazi. I also condemn the violence shown by a small minority of the leftists members there. I also think its abhorrent that the only comments about what happened there you usually find from evangelical conservatives is what actions the lefts might have done, not the glaring racism on full display.

The evangelicals leaders should stop being silent and publically condemn those alt-right, joining the Eastern Orthodox and Catholic bishops in doing so.

Leonhard, do you have a source for this? How do we know that the marchers in Charlottesville were KKK, white supremacist or neo-nazi? Do you oppose the right of people to peacefully march in protest (which is what they were doing, AFAICT, until they were attacked by leftists)?

[KingsGambit]

Leonhard, do you have a source for this? How do we know that the marchers in Charlottesville were KKK, white supremacist or neo-nazi?

It's pretty well established that there was a significant white supremacist presence among the planning of the march.

http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2017/...emacist-groups
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/con...anizer-n792496

[Jedidiah]

I condemn the alt-right groups on march in Charlottesville, whether KKK, white-supremacist, or neo-nazi. I also condemn the violence shown by a small minority of the leftists members there. I also think its abhorrent that the only comments about what happened there you usually find from evangelical conservatives is what actions the lefts might have done, not the glaring racism on full display.

Both sides involved in the violence in Charlottesville are extremely small minorities in America. I condemn both as have many others who refuse to take sides. Condemning both means nothing much to the KKK, white-supremacist, or neo-nazi side, but it means to many of the loony left here that I am supporting the KKK, white-supremacist, or neo-nazi side. That is not only idiotic it is dishonest.

[rogue06]

All of this is a diversion from the fact that Charlottesville was the centre of highly organised Alt-Right violence engendered by KKK White Supremacists protesters chanting Antisemitic and fascist slogans. This whilst protesting the removal of a statue that celebrates white supremacy and the retention of slavery. This is what's concerning.

There are bad players on both sides but the left either ignores or encourages theirs and cheer leads over-reactive hysteria.

[Starlight]

Leonhard, do you have a source for this? How do we know that the marchers in Charlottesville were KKK, white supremacist or neo-nazi?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-vice-news-hbo

Do you oppose the right of people to peacefully march in protest...?

When they're doing it at night, with torches, and there's violence and someone dies, then they've crossed a line.

[Tassman]

There are bad players on both sides but the left either ignores or encourages theirs and cheer leads over-reactive hysteria.