Conservatives in this forum don't understand the Israel-Palestine conflict

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

What do you see in your quote that contradicts what I said?

I suggest you read the entire article and use some of the links it provides.

[Sparko]

I suggest you read the entire article and use some of the links it provides.

You are the one making the statement, it is up to you to back it up.

[oxmixmudd]

I actually started to write a response, and had a good 5 or 6 paragraphs finished -- then I realized to whom I was responding.

So - you chose to denigrate the person rather than engage the topic - even on your very first response?

[Ronson]

So - you chose to denigrate the person rather than engage the topic - even on your very first response?

When the person in question resorts to the race card rather than engage in a topic? Quite appropriate.

[seer]

You are the one making the statement, it is up to you to back it up.

When did that ever work with her?

[seer]

They are. You can dislike their methods, but they're still freedom fighters.

I agree, the Jews are freedom fighters, since they actually fight for freedom - like free elections and democratic principles, unlike the totalitarian Muslims that enslave where ever they get power..

[Cow Poke]

So - you chose to denigrate the person rather than engage the topic - even on your very first response?

So good to see you, Jim - always such a joy!

[Cow Poke]

So - you chose to denigrate the person rather than engage the topic - even on your very first response?

First of all - wow.... your very first post to me after having been gone for a while is a steaming pile of horsie poo.

Now that I've had an opportunity to finish my wonderful fajita dinner with my dear sweet wife, lemme answer this more fully.

Starlight, your dear brother in the faith, had been on a tirade accusing people of being insane, not having a brain, having had a stroke, and all manner of like insults.
I was actually responding in good faith, having written, as I said, at least 5 or 6 paragraphs when I realized how futile it was when he was on such an angry psychotic posting streak.

Try engaging your brain, if you can locate it.

And here you are to "denigrate" me because you jumped to the false conclusion that I was "denigrating" your buddy.
So, no, Jim - that was NOT my "very first response", and it was NOT denigrating - it was a realization of what a total waste of time it would be to try to have a civil discussion with him in his current angry state.

You simply can't help yourself with your judgmental pharisaical hypocrisy. But you do you.

[oxmixmudd]

First of all - wow.... your very first post to me after having been gone for a while is a steaming pile of horsie poo.

Now that I've had an opportunity to finish my wonderful fajita dinner with my dear sweet wife, lemme answer this more fully.

Starlight, your dear brother in the faith, had been on a tirade accusing people of being insane, not having a brain, having had a stroke, and all manner of like insults.
I was actually responding in good faith, having written, as I said, at least 5 or 6 paragraphs when I realized how futile it was when he was on such an angry psychotic posting streak.



And here you are to "denigrate" me because you jumped to the false conclusion that I was "denigrating" your buddy.
So, no, Jim - that was NOT my "very first response", and it was NOT denigrating - it was a realization of what a total waste of time it would be to try to have a civil discussion with him in his current angry state.

You simply can't help yourself with your judgmental pharisaical hypocrisy. But you do you.

Just pointing out the obvious. And yes, it was denigrating. To say someone is not worthy of a response other than to say they are not worthy of a response is by definition denigrating.

denigrate
1
: to attack the reputation of : DEFAME
denigrate one's opponents
2
: to deny the importance or validity of : BELITTLE

And yes it was your first post to Starlight in this thread. And no.i didnt denigrate you, i simply pointed out you started off by denigrating starlight. Now if pointing out what you did 'denigrates you', then clearly - you denigrate yourself.

[Cow Poke]

Just pointing out the obvious. And yes, it was denigrating. To say someone is not worthy of a response other than to say they are not worthy of a response is by definition denigrating.

denigrate
1
: to attack the reputation of : DEFAME
denigrate one's opponents
2
: to deny the importance or validity of : BELITTLE

And yes it was your first post to Starlight in this thread. And no.i didnt denigrate you, i simply pointed out you started off by denigrating starlight. Now if pointing out what you did 'denigrates you', then clearly - you denigrate yourself.

Yes, Jim, "in this thread", but this isn't the only thread where your colleague had been spewing forth nutty accusations of insanity, lack of brains, having had a stroke, etc.

I can see how a bitter old fart might think that, Jim - but I had actually typed out a number of paragraphs, then realized it was a total waste of time, just like I said.

I'll not be responding to you further because I don't want to be accused, again, of "provoking" you into yet another one of your psychotic temper tantrums.

[Starlight]

Worth noting in one of these Israel threads that the AP has just released an investigative piece explaining how 2 major claims of sexual violence on October 7th were debunked.

How 2 debunked accounts of sexual violence on Oct. 7 fueled a global dispute over Israel-Hamas war

Working in a kibbutz that was ravaged by Hamas’ Oct. 7 attack, Otmazgin — a volunteer commander with ZAKA, an Israeli search and rescue organization — saw the body of a teenager, shot dead and separated from her family in a different room. Her pants had been pulled down below her waist. He thought that was evidence of sexual violence.

He alerted journalists to what he’d seen. He tearfully recounted the details in a nationally televised appearance in the Israeli Parliament. In the frantic hours, days and weeks that followed the Hamas attack, his testimony ricocheted across the world.

But it turns out that what Otmazgin thought had occurred in the home at the kibbutz hadn’t happened.

“I couldn’t think of any other option” other than the teen having been sexually assaulted, he said. “At the end, it turned out to be different, so I corrected myself.”

But it was too late...

...it took ZAKA months to acknowledge the accounts were wrong, allowing them to proliferate. And the fallout from the debunked accounts shows how the topic of sexual violence has been used to further political agendas...

Otmazgin said he was the origin of one of two debunked stories by ZAKA volunteers about sexual assault...

Nearly three months later, ZAKA found out his interpretation was wrong. After cross-checking with military contacts, ZAKA found that a group of [Israeli] soldiers had dragged the girl’s body across the room to make sure it wasn’t booby-trapped. During the procedure, her pants had come down.

This piece by the AP comes now, months after the Intercept revealed that the infamous NY Times piece on alleged sexual violence on Oct 7th failed the NY Times' own internal fact-checks and contained claims of rapes that could be disproven.

In summary, the evidence that there was any rape on Oct 7th looks pretty thin on the ground at the moment.

[eider]

So - you chose to denigrate the person rather than engage the topic - even on your very first response?

You sent the above to CP. He does this all the time.

[Hypatia_Alexandria]

You are the one making the statement, it is up to you to back it up.

Given your history of ignoring the content of posts or not reading what has been written I am not prepared to put into my own words what is available on a Britannica site or indeed elsewhere


However, if you read that Britannica article you will notice this:

Yet by May 1916 Great Britain, France, and Russia had reached an agreement (the Sykes-Picot Agreement) according to which, inter alia¹, the bulk of Palestine was to be internationalized. Further complicating the situation, in November 1917 Arthur Balfour, the British secretary of state for foreign affairs, addressed a letter to Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild (the Balfour Declaration) expressing sympathy for the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people on the understanding that “nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine.

¹ among other things.

There was no concept of a Jewish nation state, the entire region was not given over to the Jews, and the civil and religious, albeit not political, rights of existing non Jewish communities in Palestine were not to be prejudiced.

[seer]

Worth noting in one of these Israel threads that the AP has just released an investigative piece explaining how 2 major claims of sexual violence on October 7th were debunked.

Two major claims you dope? It was just two claims, but from your own link:

The United Nations and other organizations have presented credible evidence that Hamas militants committed sexual assault during their rampage. The prosecutor for the International Criminal Court, Karim Khan, said Monday he had reason to believe that three key Hamas leaders bore responsibility for “rape and other acts of sexual violence as crimes against humanity.”

Though the number of assaults is unclear, photo and video from the attack’s aftermath have shown bodies with legs splayed, clothes torn and blood near their genitals.

[Cow Poke]

You sent the above to CP. He does this all the time.

Laughing.